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Primary school ‘grooming’ for LGBT

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  1. what can we do to take a stand against this being taught to our children

  2. Appalling as this is, it is nevertheless predictable that these events will continue to happen. Yes, this teacher (or teachers) are technically sex abusers. 20 years ago, as a social worker I would be placing care proceedings before the Youth Court for such abuse by an adult on children.
    The outlook for us as a civilisation and nation is indeed bleak, more so than any military threat that might be made against us. Corruption is endemic within our very thought system. We as ‘extreme’ Christians (!) need to organize our thought process together more succinctly and purposefully in order to champion the Biblical view point, without the ‘established’ churches to present a coherent and effective challenge. The fate of the nation is not as important as the proclaiming of the Word of God in every situation succinctly and coherently.
    Mike Lampard

    • Rox
    • Rox on 17 October 2018 at 02:16

    In loco parentis means in place of the parent (presumably the father), not of the parents. In place of the parents would be in loco parentibus.

    Still, there is a lot in what you say, particularly that this education is all too young. The children need to have a firm grasp of what is normal, before (and necessarily) being prepared for clashes with what is not .

    These are innocent children, and in their innocence they would be LGBT+ friendly at this age anyway, because they would not fully appreciate what they came across. It is the duty of all these LGBT+ people to respect this. They are not supposed to be paedophiles, and usually abhor the suggestion that they are.

    I don’t know if this is relevant, but this does seem a remarkable school, and Warrington is chiefly remarkable as the birthplace of Vladimir vodka. Older readers will remember that the company concerned, Greenalls, also made the convincing Grünhalle lager.

      • Stephen
      • Stephen on 17 October 2018 at 11:15
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      You didn’t get where you are today without being pedantic.
      Isn’t that Vodka ‘of a type developed by Russia’?
      I wonder if Greenhalls of Warrington have also been concocting Novichok?

        • Rox
        • Rox on 17 October 2018 at 15:04

        You didn’t get where you are today without realising that recognition of the rights of one superior parent (for example in Medway) is very different from recognising the rights of both parents equally, or giving the final say to Society as a whole.

        But I am pleased to have this opportunity to correct my own error (as you have never made it possible to edit one’s own comments). The plural should be
        in loco parentium.
        (Parentibus is only the dative and ablative — my memory had failed me after very many years, which does happen; and I’m afraid I have to admit that this third declension genitive plural is still not at all familiar to me , but that is it. )

        It was Greenalls, not Greenhalls, and they sold Vladimir vodka to Whyte & Mackay, so it is now made in Scotland. They also stopped brewing. If this was so that they could concentrate on nerve agents, and if I knew this, I would not tell you. Their cover is running a chain of pubs. Of course, the Skripals became ill in a sort of pub ….

    • BigMarktheGeezer
    • Mark J on 17 October 2018 at 14:11

    well, the message has been sent loud & clear: as the Ashers Bakery in Northern Ireland, Kavanaugh, and many other cases have shown, it is now clear that if you stand up to the PC madness, the new lefty/PC/gay rights/trans rights/cultural Marxist establishment will do their best to destroy you. They have their people everywhere, others go along with it for fear of losing their jobs and livelihoods. You MIGHT be lucky and win in the end, like Ashers, but this will be after years of legal action, never sure whether you’ll win, and you will have to spend enormous amounts of money on legal costs. In the Ashers case, yes, they won in the end, but it had to go all the way to the highest court in the land, and still the judgment was never certain. You will go through enormous psychological and financial strain. If you’re a teacher, and object, you’ll be sacked and probably never work again, certainly not as a teacher. Most people will decide that its just too much trouble, they’re not strong enough to fight (and who can blame them?) and just keep quiet and go along with it. One result is increasingly depressed and mentally ill people, as we are increasingly seeing now: many are angry but realise there’s little they can, or are prepared, to do. (Others are mentally ill because we live in a society of great spiritual darkness: Peter Hitchens says this country has died, and imo he’s right: spiritually it is pretty dead. We must continue to pray, God can resurrect a dead society but it will require widespread repentance. Other people are not really depressed as such, just unhappy, but our fake society, especially the media, tells us that if we’re not deleriously happy all the time, something’s wrong psychologically: actually, come to think of it, a lot of these so-called “churches” tell us that too). They realise they are no longer living in a free society, we have lost. Every day we are becoming as totalitarian and authoritarian as the old communist bloc. How suddenly this has come upon us. We were warned, but mostly we yawned and turned back to the TV.

    The good news, if you’re a Christian, is that this is all pretty much predicted of what will happen in the End Times in the Bible, and the Bible says that Jesus will return one day, put it all right, and punish the evil-doers. But its likely to get worse before it gets better eg if the lefties DO get into power (well, they ARE in power here in UK), they would have little compunction about putting us in prison camps and executing us eg “to purge society of the “haters””. Certainly, if Trump goes (I personally cannot see him lasting to the end of a second term, some deranged lefty will assassinate him, with no regrets whatsoever, and Killary and the rest of her evil coven will openly rejoice) this could certainly happen in USA, where the battle is fiercer: here in UK and Europe, the battle is more or less over, we’ve lost. Think I exaggerate? Well, we’ll see, won’t we? Will there be a Rapture to take us out of all this before the Wrath comes? Opinions differ: what is for sure is that Christians in muslim countries etc are being beheaded, crucified, etc NOW, and few care.

    Maranatha Lord Jesus. Are you ready to meet Him? (I’m not sure I am, or ever fully will be tbh!)

      • Stephen
      • Stephen on 17 October 2018 at 15:24
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      We are not having dithering here, Mark. Just trust in his blood and his name and you will be ready:
      Acts 16:30  And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
      Acts 16:31  And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
      Romans 5:9  Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

        • Child-of-God
        • A. K on 17 October 2018 at 20:16

        Thank you Stephen for those quotes.

        I am beyond appalled by what’s going on. It truly is like a runaway train. You can’t say a word about it without being accused of homophobia and hate crime. Having a vulnerable child who has been propositioned by an older gay peer at school (a very small school too) I am sickened by the normalising of this. The child who propositioned her is allegedly also vulnerable and confused and with what is being thrown at them in school I’m not surprised she’s confused and thinking this behaviour is OK. Why should our children not be safe in school? Why should we not be able to trust public officials with their moral guidance. We are paying for this crap. It’s almost obsessive now, everyone has to have a funny gay friend, TV is awash with not only gay presenters but gay jokes by straight presenters the whole time. For children brought up to know it’s wrong, it’s torturous to go to school to see a rainbow flag flying outside and every third poster on the wall about LGBT support and pride. They have to hide what they believe so as not to be targeted. That’s another form of child abuse, it’s emotional abuse. I pray for the time Jesus washes all this away.

          • Rox
          • Rox on 19 October 2018 at 23:01

          Was this a baroness visiting the school on a fact-finding mission ? She ought to be reported.

      • Rox
      • Rox on 17 October 2018 at 17:11

      ” Christians in muslim countries etc are being beheaded, crucified, etc NOW”

      You sound like Bernard of Clairvaux.
      It’s about as true as appeals which start

      “Christians are bombing Muslim civilians NOW. “

        • BigMarktheGeezer
        • Mark J on 18 October 2018 at 11:58

        There are no Christians bombing anyone anywhere in the world. Countries that claim to be Christian (when it suits them), possibly.

        • BigMarktheGeezer
        • Mark J on 18 October 2018 at 14:23

        ” Christians in muslim countries etc are being beheaded, crucified, etc NOW”

        And this is just a simple fact, bonehead. That you haven’t heard about it doesn’t particularly surprise me. They don’t mention it on the BBC, Channel 4 News etc., probably for fear of upsetting the muslims, and causing “community divisiveness”.

          • BigMarktheGeezer
          • Mark J on 18 October 2018 at 23:26

          I apologise for calling you “bonehead” Rox, but yours was a very ignorant statement.

            • Rox
            • Rox on 19 October 2018 at 22:27

            You can call me bonehead if you like, but please think logically about the situation first.

            When an American government, which claims to be Christian as do the majority of American citizens and enthusiastically so, bombs civilians, which it undoubtedly does, you refuse to call this Christian bombing.

            Yet when, as undoubtedly does happen as I know, some extremist Muslim organisations behead and even governments crucify, you are happy to typify this as a Muslim event. Most Muslims are no more happy about beheading and crucifying the innocent than most Christians (or atheists or Hindus) are about bombing innocent civilians. You are too boneheaded to see this.

            Would you rather die by bombing than by crucifixion or beheading ? It’s rather difficult to say. Bombing can result in all kinds of death, some very quick, some very slow and agonising . It’s pot luck, and nobody really knows what suffering is inflicted.

            Crucifixion is probably nasty, but beheading is quick and almost painless. In Tudor England and elsewhere in Europe, it was granted to the nobility rather than hanging, as a privilege. The French revolution introduced the guillotine as an efficient mechanical beheading for everybody regardless of class, and the French were very proud of it (until it was finally stopped, about the same time that we stopped hanging people).

            Who doubts that the Romans were civilised, but they favoured crucifixion for people they considered to be criminals, not just Jesus. Christians tend to concentrate rather morbidly on the sufferings of Jesus, but he was far from unique. In fact, he seems to have got off relatively lightly.

            • BigMarktheGeezer
            • Mark J on 24 October 2018 at 18:38

            I give up.

            • Rox
            • Rox on 24 October 2018 at 20:39

            I think perhaps this might be the best thing if you can’t quite manage to get your admirably fleshy head round the problem.

        • Moira
        • Moira W on 23 October 2018 at 00:17

        Rox. Christians are being beheaded, sawn in pieces, buried alive, burned alive, raped, sold as sex slaves and much more in the Middle East today, because that is what the Islamic doctrines teach. Muslims are commanded by their prophet to behave in this way. They are also commanded to kill other Muslims who do not live according to Quranic instructions. Muhammad said that Islam is a religion and a state. Muslims are commanded to conquer the world and subjugate all people to Islam. On the other hand, If the American military bombs enemy areas, it is a military action, not a ‘Christian’ action. The government takes action as a government, not as a church. The Bible commands Christians to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them – not behead them. But God has appointed governments to protect their people and so sometimes military action is necessary.

          • Rox
          • Rox on 25 October 2018 at 20:13

          If you read the Bible, Moira, God seems to have encouraged a lot of military actions in the past, and many Christians certainly believe that he has done so since then. Whereas what makes you think that Muslim armies do not engage in “military actions” escapes me !

          You don’t have to go any further than London to find lots of sites where bombers from Christian countries caused people to be buried alive and burned alive. As I have tried to explain, being beheaded is nowadays unfamiliar, but it isn’t particularly inhumane, quite the reverse. The founder of the Church of England was not the only Christian monarch who used it where appropriate.

          Your views on Islam are as extreme as those of ISIS. Do you really believe all this ? You ought to receive deradicalisation training from the Government. Fortunately for us, the majority of ordinary Muslims do not believe all this. History would have been very different over the centuries if they had done. Go on, tell us they should have believed it !

      • Moira
      • Moira W on 23 October 2018 at 01:06

      Well Mark, the Rapture could happen at any moment.!! That is the doctrine of immanence. By the way things are going, both with the increasing Godlessness of the world as in this discussion and also with events in the Middle East setting the stage for the Ezekiel 38 and 39 Battle, it will be real soon! Then all who are trusting in the Lord Jesus will be out of here!! 2 Thessalonians 2 tells us that the Antichrist who is to come is being restrained presently; but when the Believers who have the Holy Spirit indwelling are caught up to be with the Lord, all restraint will be gone and all hell will literally be let loose. We don’t know how bad things will get before that day, if the Lord should ‘tarry’, but we are told to comfort one another by these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18…….Then God will pour out HIS wrath upon those who have refused to repent of their sins and steadfastly rejected Him – and who will even in the midst of these terrible catastrophes, still curse Him, rather than repent. Revelation 4 -18. (He will also turn His attention back to the Jews, the remnant of whom will be saved.)

        • BigMarktheGeezer
        • Mark J on 25 October 2018 at 18:31

        hi Moira! thanx for the encouragement! God bless you & yours xx

    • Rox
    • Rox on 17 October 2018 at 16:57

    “If you’re a teacher, and object, you’ll be sacked and probably never work again, certainly not as a teacher. Most people will decide that its just too much trouble, they’re not strong enough to fight (and who can blame them?) and just keep quiet and go along with it.”

    Gosh, Mark, that’s a very good description of people who, in days gone by, ended up dispensing Religious Education to the masses, despite a personal lack of conviction.

      • BigMarktheGeezer
      • Mark J on 18 October 2018 at 12:00

      people who objected to Religious Education were sued? really?

    • Rox
    • Rox on 19 October 2018 at 02:14

    I don’t know. I never said they were sued.
    If they didn’t go along with teaching a bit of RE and certainly with appearing at Assembly, they were considered not to be co-operating with the school ethos.

    Who in the big wide world has a hymn and a prayer to start the working day, and also a prayer before going home, as was the case in primary schools (I don’t know if they still do that — I don’t think it was ever a legal requirement, but every teacher was expected to do it after the last lesson). The children connected it strongly with the ritual of putting their chairs on the tables (which was not religious, it was merely to assist the cleaners).

    There was in fact probably a legal right for teachers to opt out, but in my experience only one did from RE, and only one from assemblies. This was made difficult because of the use of assemblies for various announcements. Roman Catholics had to march in sheepishly before the announcements. Tjhis was because there was a legal right for parents to opt their children out, but curiously (as they also pray and sing hymns) only Roman Catholics did this. In my limited experience of practising Jews at school, they did not opt out, and one of them even won the Vicar’s Scripture Prize (choosing an Old Testament subject).

    It was the same in the Army, was it not ? You were deemed a Christian unless you were a Roman Catholic. Weird ! I expect this has changed, because we must encourage lesbian Muslim women to join the Army obviously. That’s Diversity folks, which is a Good Thing.
    Note to American readers (if any): I don’t really mean that.

      • Rox
      • Rox on 26 October 2018 at 18:54

      And now actively in the front line, in the Marines, and in the “special services” (e.g. SAS).
      Presumably that will be even more of a Good Thing ”

      Could I have had prior knowledge of this welcome announcement ?
      I’m sure ISIS will welcome it too.

        • Rox
        • Rox on 27 October 2018 at 21:59

        Things are getting worse. The latest Radio Times has a report (p29) from Sodor (which is an imaginary land in the diocese of the real Bishop of Sodor and Man —- I’m not making that up ! ). In short, its railway (which of course runs Thomas the Tank Engine, Gordon, Percy, and others) is to have a new female steam engine, not only female but black, not only black but Kenyan (again, I’m not making this up).

        There’s more to it than getting little girls to play with trains. “The possibilities are endless”, says Tolulope Lewis-Tamoka. “There are so many other issues to talk about, from violence against girls and boys to cyber-bullying. The series could be an awesome platform for equal pay, girls’ education …..”

        We may well wonder what Thomas’s creator, the Rev Wilbert Awdry, would have made of this, but his granddaughter is delighted, and says he would have been stunned and thrilled. (So why didn’t he create any female engines with his own images ?). She may possibly have her own reasons to be pleased that the United Nations have become a “collaborator”. But clearly there is no stopping progress.

          • Stephen
          • Stephen on 29 October 2018 at 17:13
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          And Nia is a refugee according to this article in the Telegraph. Presumably the Nigerian girlie, Tolulope, the UN Women’s Africa Programme Adviser no less, believes the world is stuffed with Kenyan refugees. Er, Tolu, that is ludicrous. Kenya is viewed in East Africa a bit like Britain is across the Middle East. It’s a haven of stability to those from Somalia or Southern Sudan. Its economy is booming. Nor will the excessively light-in-complexion Nia need any advice from Thomas about what needs doing. Kenyans are among the best at spotting opportunities, especially for making money. J.M. Barrie famously opined: “There are few more impressive sights than a Scotsman on the make.” Make that ‘a Kenyan’. I should know. I’m married to one!

            • Rox
            • Rox on 29 October 2018 at 22:10

            Quite.

            I wasn’t at all sure that Stephen would deign this fit to publish, but I also updated the Sodor page of Wikipedia by adding the bare facts, with a reference to the Radio Times. To my surprise, Stephen seems to rather like it, whereas although it actually did appear publicly in Wikipedia, they then deleted it. (Perhaps they didn’t believe it). You never can tell, can you ?

            It’s nice to think that we had a white Kenyan student at university in the 1960s who soon made it very clear that he despised the natives there, so we called him “Kaffir” —– everybody did, always, for four years ! So much so that when his father came to collect him after graduation, I remember him saying “Has anybody seen John W ? You call him Kaffir”. To be fair, he despised Armand and Michaela Denis too.

            Back to Nia. I don’t want to appear racist, but like the Duchess of Sussex she doesn’t look very black to me either, and that’s just her face Most of her is red.

            The word from my grand-daughter is that the whole thing is stupid, because steam engines are neither male nor female.

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