Jan 30

Prayer answered, but we need repentance!

Yvette Cooper's amendment to change Brexit law was defeated last night.

Yvette Cooper’s amendment to change Brexit law was defeated last night.

Here is the Hansard record of last night’s debate with the divisions. Our MPs received much prayer through this month, over the weekend and indeed as they met yesterday afternoon to vote on Brexit and amendments to the G+overnment plans.

Some of the amendments the House voted against would have impeded or delayed Brexit,  They were all defeated by the grace of God.  Remember to thank him for his grace and mercy and praise his holy name.

The only two which succeeded were Dame Caroline Spelman’s rejecting leaving without a deal and Sir Graham Brady’s, approving the May Deal without the hated Backstop.

Brexit next steps

So Mrs May is back off to Brussels with the Brady Amendment in her bag. She will tell the EU removing the Backstop is what Parliament wants. The EU have immediately said they will not renegotiate. But they would say that. As the clock ticks down to No Deal on 29th March 2019, despite the aspirations of Mrs Spelman and the House, they may well budge. Otherwise it’s No Deal, the default position. Pray for Mrs May to find favour with the Lord:

Prov 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways. … 35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.

And to be frank, at some stage the UK will leave the EU. All the questions raised by supermarkets and farmers’ unions and industry about markets and supply chains and tariffs on imports from and exports to the EU will one way or another eventually have to faced. Moreover, our United Kingdom needs repentance, and that requires a heaven-sent leader. So keep praying!

Yesterday the BBC reported that Theresa May’s neutral motion was designed to allow discussion of next steps on Brexit.  MPs tabled amendments. The Speaker decided on which amendments to select impartially, as we prayed, reminding the Lord of his word set out in scripture:

Lev 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.

Labour Front Bench amendment

The opposition’s amendment instructed the government to rule out what it refers to as a ‘disastrous No Deal’ scenario. It proposed an alternative Brexit deal involving Labour’s plan for a permanent customs union with Brussels and a version of the EU’s single market. Mr Corbyn’s amendment also proposed legislating to hold a public vote on either a deal or a proposition that had MPs’ support.

It was defeated by 327 votes to 296. ‘No Deal’ is of course the default scenario under the legislation on Article 50 which a huge majority of MPs voted for two years ago.

Lib Dem amendment

Once again, Mr Speaker did not select Mr Vince Cable’s amendment instructing the government to take steps to rule out ‘No Deal’ and to ‘prepare for a People’s Vote in which the public will have the option to remain in the European Union on the ballot paper’.

The BBC said: ‘The People’s Vote campaign for a fresh referendum on EU membership held back from tabling a similar amendment, saying it would not get the backing of a majority of MPs without Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn telling his party to back it.’

He did not, and it wasn’t called anyway, so that is an answer to prayer.

Yvette Cooper’s amendment

This was the big one. It demanded parliamentary time to pass a new law ruling out No Deal. The new law would also have required Theresa May to seek to postpone Brexit day (currently 29th March) until 31st December. That would all have come into effect if MPs do not approve a deal by 26th February.

Firstly, the prime minister would have to ask the EU 27 to agree to extend the two-year limit on Article 50.  Secondly they would have to agree.  Thirdly,. they will only do that if it looks like it might achieve something to benefit them.  Fourthly, any extension past July will need the UK to hold elections to the European Parliament.

The amendment had the backing of senior Conservative backbenchers such as Nicky Morgan and Oliver Letwin, former Lib Dem health minister Norman Lamb and Plaid Cymru’s Ben Lake. Miss Cooper tabled it with Tory Remainer Nick Boles. It was the only amendment which would have bound the Government. Labour supported it. But it was lost by 23 votes. Dominic Grieve’s (The Grinch!) amendment calling for every Tuesday from now on to be Brexit debating day was rejected by 20 votes.

The successful amendments:

Amendment proposed: (i), at end, add
“and rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship.”—(Dame Caroline Spelman.)
Ayes: 318 Noes: 310 Question accordingly agreed to.

Amendment proposed: (n), at end, add
“and requires the Northern Ireland backstop to be replaced with alternative arrangements to avoid a hard border; supports leaving the European Union with a deal and would therefore support the Withdrawal Agreement subject to this change.”—(Sir Graham Brady.)
Ayes: 317 Noes: 301 Question accordingly agreed to.

(At some stage we might analyse all the voting – but that’s a bigger project to be done right now!)

False positive prophecies

Finally, what of so-called prophecies claiming the world is going to flock to the UK as a paragon of progress and virtue once we leave the EU?  Some of us need to see things from the point of view of the Lord Almighty. The way to do that is to get into his word, which is in the Holy Scriptures. There we see that God hates wickedness. It is that simple:

Hos 5:4  They will not frame their doings to turn unto their God: for the spirit of whoredoms is in the midst of them, and they have not known the LORD. 

The UK is promoting the wickedness of sodomy, feminism, abortion and even transgenderism at home and around the world. The Department for Education promotes promiscuity and perversion to our nation’s children in England. In the devolved administrations it is just the same.

International wickedness

Our Foreign Office and the Department for International Development are pouring millions into pro-LGBT NGOs all over Africa and wherever else they can get a toe in. The EU also does that, but we led the way and we taught them. The Foreign Office started wars in Iraq and Syria and is responsible for massive loss of life and property, ruining people’s lives.

Jer 9:9 Shall I not visit them for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

Is the Almighty going to hold a nation such as ours up as a standard in opposition to his word? Really? The best we can say is that coming out of the revived Roman empire of the EU is an opportunity for national repentance. That on its own will be by the grace of God.

Psalm 106:47 Save us, O LORD our God, and gather us from among the heathen, to give thanks unto thy holy name, and to triumph in thy praise.

Spiritual significance

For the spiritual significance of coming out of the EU, see this link here on our website. And keep praying!

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  1. I cannot agree with you or anybody myself that a prophecy that such-and-such will happen is “false”, without myself implicitly prophesying that such-and-such definitely won’t happen, ever. All I can say is that I don’t have faith in the prophesy myself, for example because I can work out (as you have) that there are certain pre-requisites of the thing prophesied that the prophecy of which I am sceptical doesn’t also prophecy (for example national repentance).

    It is entirely possible for one to prophesy that things will be terrible after Brexit, and another (or the same) to prophesy that things will be simply wonderful, and for both prophecies to be right. In fact, when I read Isaiah, I often find myself wishing the writer would make up his mind, until I remember that prophecy is like that.

    I won’t hold a prophecy in contempt. I will test everything, and hold onto the good. The test of an optimistic prophecy that predicts something, but which is silent about pre-requisites, is time. Until it is too late for the prophecy to be proven right to our surprise, scepticism is in order, but condemnation, for “false” prophecy, is surely premature.

    I will say this, it has struck my mind that the UK might not only be throwing a spanner into the works of the EU. It might also end up taking the World Trade Organisation down a peg or two. Who knows what other sacred cows may be slaughtered, before the winds of change have finished blowing?

    But I agree, if Brexit is the end, it is an unhappy ending. But what if were what Churchill called merely “the end of the beginning”, of something bigger? We can always dream, and watch, and pray.

  2. Like you, Stephen, I am singularly unimpressed with false prophecies.. However, we will never in the predictable future live in a nation or civilisation that will repent of their sin. If we look at the days of Noah, and the experience and phenomenon of Sodom and Gomorrah we learn that Christ stated that ‘the last days’ would be like these. Also of significance is Abraham’s intercession for Sodom and Gomorrah. If there are 10 righteous men God would save the city. Maybe if there had been less the city might have been saved. Our prayer therefore should be that those of us who are believers are utterly faithful to the Word of God and preach/share/witness in this consistently to bring all who will to repentance. The great tragedy is not so much our politicians as our church leaders who do not provide us with the salt and light Christ requires of us (see sermon on the mount: Matt chs 5-7). We then need to be faithful. Then there is just a chance that ‘God will save the city.’

  3. I attended the day of prayer at Wembley arena on Saturday which has been called to pray about Brexit
    We were totally united in praying we leave and that God is glorified in the way He intervenes in the mess our MPs have created
    We were totally united in our prayers and support if Israel
    Seems the same God who is for Israel is against the EU

    Regarding false prophecies
    We repented on Saturday for allowing same sex marriages homosexuality etc into the Church
    We asked God for mercy and to once again make our nation a beacon of hope for a lost world
    If that means prayer will be answered resulting in our nation coming back to God and our Christian heritage and the nations running to the light

    I say
    AMEN

    1. Yes, Amen. It means, on the Biblical witness, a God-fearing political leader of courage and tenacity. How we need to pray.

  4. Something wrong with selection by the Speaker who is out and out remain and if recent events are anything to go by he will select to suit his own agenda.. Sadly he is my MP.

    1. You are in a privileged position to convey your witness to him, Marjorie!

  5. Many of us share and support your brave stand on “sodomy, feminism, abortion and even transgenderism” et al. But some of us would urge you to read more widely when it comes to the recent “orthodoxy” of premillennial dispensationalism.
    I offer one simple point: If the EU is a “revived Roman Empire”, why does it include Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, and the Netherlands?

    1. Hi MJ P. I neither do, nor spend much time trying to comprehend, dispensationalisms of any kind! I work out from the word of God, me.
      As to the EU, It’s the spirit behind it rather than the territory. The Babel spirit, as we see clearly from Daniel and Revelation 17, began with Nimrod and worked its way through Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome. Those empires did not rule over the same territory but had a continuity Antichrist spirit. The founder of the European Economic Community, Paul-Henri Spaak, knew exactly what he was doing, as I show in the videos linked above. The EU Parliament Tower in Strasburg is even designed after an artist’s impression of the partially-built Tower of Babel. Then we have Europa riding the bull. Then we have the Treaty of Rome signed on top of Satan’s Seat. It’s a case of ‘hiding in plain sight’, isn’t it?

      1. Thank you for dealing with the point about the presence of Poland, Denmark etc in the EU, which I have tried to raise before. Similarly, it excludes North Africa and a chunk of the Middle East.

  6. I’m surprised that you include “feminism” in your quite short list of wickedness. Not all feminists are lesbians, and even if they were, lesbianism seldom ranks as being as bad as lesbianism. It wasn’t even illegal.

    1. By ‘Feminism’ I am thinking principally of all the ‘women’s empowerment’ projects they finance, as if
      (a) women are a separate race from men, and/or
      (b) women are in competition with men for resources, and/or
      (c) women and men do not live in the same houses, and/or
      (d) women are never in partnership with their men, and/or
      (e) women and men do not have children together, and/or
      (f) women do not want their men to be providing for their families, and/or
      (g) no social problem will arise if all the women are working their socks off and all the men are sitting around unemployed, and/or
      (h) that irritating Bible verse about the woman being ‘a suitable help’ for her man had never been written.
      You write ‘not all feminists are lesbians’ but pretty much all feminists are sympathetic to lesbians and it is lesbians together with unattached single women who enable the NGO’s to ignore the vast majority of women who live with a man and so to claim that, yes, these women really are in competition with men. As I say, for the vast majority of men and women, we are in it together.
      Lastly, and obviously, for the feminists in western governments and funding NGOs, women as a group also need access to abortion, artificial contraception and LGBT lobby groups.
      Apart from that …!

      1. Well, I can only agree. If you define “feminists” like that, most of them are probably lesbians.

        But a lot of happily married women with children, and quite a lot of men, also call themselves “feminists”, with not quite the same meaning !

        When I wrote “lesbianism seldom ranks as being as bad as lesbianism”, I meant to write “lesbianism seldom ranks as being as bad as sodomy”. Sorry about that error. For one thing, it gets fewer mentions in Christian Voice and in the Bible.

  7. There is also one Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi to consider as well. People don’t talk about him much, and Wikipedia shies away from mentioning him as a founding influence on the EU pages, but does mention it if you are on his page. This makes fascinating reading.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

    Here’s a little quote for you:

    “His first book, Pan-Europa, was published in 1923 and contained a membership form for the Pan-Europa movement, which held its first Congress in 1926 in Vienna. In 1927, Aristide Briand was elected honorary president of the Pan-Europa movement. Public figures who attended Pan-Europa congresses included Albert Einstein, Thomas Mann and Sigmund Freud.[3]”

    Europa again!

    1. It is interesting stuff. He suggested Beethoven’s pretentious ‘Ode to Joy’ as the European Anthem. But apart from that, I find nothing immediately to link him to Schuman, Adenauer, Gaspieri, the EEC ‘founding fathers’ or to Spaak, its architect. Did he ever meet them, talk to them, plot with them? Over to you, Andrew.

      1. This is what is linking him on the more mundane monitory level.

        “According to his autobiography, at the beginning of 1924 his friend Baron Louis de Rothschild introduced him to Max Warburg who offered to finance his movement for the next three years by giving him 60,000 gold marks. Warburg remained sincerely interested in the movement for the remainder of his life and served as an intermediate for Coudenhove-Kalergi with influential Americans such as banker Paul Warburg and financier Bernard Baruch. ”

        These American bankers were astronomically rich. With that money comes power and influence. Another link is to the UN Headquarters.

        ” The Manhattan site was selected after John D. Rockefeller, Jr., offered to donate $8.5 million to purchase the land. ”

        “In 1946, Zeckendorf purchased the land with the intention to create an “X City” on the site.[10] This complex was to contain an office building and a hotel, each 57 stories tall, and an entertainment complex between them. The X City would have also had smaller apartment and office towers.[11] However, the equivalent to $88,637,812 in 2018 for X City never materialized, and Nelson Rockefeller purchased an option for Zeckendorf’s waterfront land in Turtle Bay. The purchase was funded by Nelson’s father, John D. Rockefeller Jr.. The Rockefeller family owned the Tudor City Apartments across First Avenue from the Zeckendorf site.[10] The city, in turn, spent $5 million on clearing the land.[9]”

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headquarters_of_the_United_Nations

        It was built on the site of old slaughter houses as well.

        Politicians get ideas when there is money about. You often get the situation where they kind of pay others to front their projects. Perhaps Richard von Coudenhove-Kalergi was a case of hired brains.

        1. Hmmm, still no links to the EEC founders though …

  8. “Prayer needed, but we need Repentance!” Well said. With all the intransigence stand being shown by the EU – “The Withdrawal Agreement remains the best and only deal possible.” and “The EU position is clear and consistent. The Withdrawal Agreement is not open for renegotiation.,” we are reminded of God’s word: “Who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will.” Here we have the only place of refuge. As I quoted to a friend – man thinks he is mighty but God is Almighty.

    In this situation, I wonder if any suitable politician could be approached to ask our Prime Minister, Mrs. May if she would consider calling a national day of prayer?

    When during the troubles of Ireland the late Ian Paisley asked the then Labour Prime Minister, Harold Wilson for a national day of prayer – he received this short rebuff “it is not opportune”

    Well is it not worth another try to see how our current PM will respond!

    1. Certainly worth asking your MP about that. At the very least it is a point of witness.

    2. I think you would find that people were praying for different things, just as they vote for different things.

  9. We must not be swayed by Project Fear and its latest “No deal will be a catastrophic disaster for the UK”.
    No one knows yet what the eventual outcome of Brexit will be. Any prophecy concerning its outcome can only be tested in the passage of time.
    However, we have a God who says He does not change, and has given us His word as proof. Consider: the exodus from Egypt; the return from the Babylonian exile; and (ongoing) aliyah. In every case God rescued His people via a CLEAN BREAK from what they were leaving behind.
    Although the UK is not Israel, perhaps we can believe that an unchangeable God will act in principle and in keeping with His ‘character’.
    From the day of the Referendum result in 2016, my ‘conviction’ has been that “Leave meant leave” – not a partial leave and a partial remain. Therefore a “No deal” exit should be viewed with expectant hope and even anticipation for what lies ahead for this country, once we are freed from the shackles of the Babylonian spirit over Europe. But never with fear!
    Of course, putting right decades of political, legal, and commercial bondage to the EU will take time, and of necessity mean much early hardships.
    But wasn’t that the same before the two World Wars? God would never have used us as He did if all we bleated about was how costly it would be, how our employment would be affected, how our (super)market shelves would be empty, etc., etc.
    Of course, repentance is a necessity if we want to live under God’s blessings. But with the calibre of the churches senior leaders we will continue to strain our ears for such a call. But let us also remember that, using Israel as our biblical example, God has committed to bringing His people out of ‘exile’ and into their own promised land, after which, as Jeremiah and Ezekiel declare, He will deal with their spiritual necessities of repentance, a new heart, etc.
    Maybe that is how it will also plan out for our country? There is certainly much prayer going up to Him for that.
    So…..don’t put your trust in politicians, pundits or false prophets. Put your trust in the LORD God of Hosts!

  10. The UK is not Israel, as Patrick points out, and equally, it has no more claim to the Bible than France. Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, or any other traditionally Christian country.

    So how would Patrick expect God to act in the matter of Brexit from the point of view of these countries ?

    1. (1) “it has no more claim to the Bible than France. Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, or any other traditionally Christian country”. Hmmmmm! No one is making a claim which you query. I was merely pointing out that we need to rely on God’s unchanging character, and how He has acted in the past. I was merely supporting my own conviction that we will leave the EU without a deal.
      (2) All the countries above wish to remain in the EU. The Referendum result showed we didn’t.
      (3) Ninevah also didn’t have a claim on the Bible, but God acted mercifully in their regard because of what they did following Jonah’s visit. Later, they clearly must have changed their minds, so God acted accordingly.

  11. It was only about 7 months ago in early June that our P.M. sadly boasted that an action plan was to be released and ‘a lot to do’ the UK can be praised that we are a world leader in advancing LGBT rights.

    This evening we sadly further learn, that the so-called safeguards for the clergy over the legalized same-sex marriage in churches in 2013 with the promise that nobody would ever be forced to conduct them, thanks to the ‘quadruple lock’? Well, it is now under attack.

    An amendment signed by three members of the House of Lords is aimed at stripping out the ‘clergy exemption’ from the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act. They want to force Church of England and Church in Wales clergy to perform same-sex marriages.

    One of the three, Lord Collins of Highbury, has also co-signed an amendment to impose same-sex marriage on Northern Ireland, despite this being a matter for the devolved Assembly.

    Both amendments are to the Civil Partnerships, Marriages and Deaths (Registration Etc.) Bill, which will be discussed in the Lords tomorrow.

    These amendments from Lord Collins and co break all the promises that were made by politicians in 2013, and make a mockery of the ‘iron-clad’ assurances that the religious freedoms of vicars, priests and imams would be protected.

    Here we are in a confused mess regarding the way forward on Brexit and discernment has been lacking. What shall the righteous do?

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