
Trevor Phillips is presenting a programme on social attitudes among British Muslims on Channel 4 tomorrow.
It is called ‘What British Muslims Really Think’ and will air at 10pm on Wednesday 13th April 2016.
Some uncomfortable statistics will be revealed which should send shivers down liberal elite spines. The pain will be made worse for them by the fact that Trevor Phillips was head of the Commission for Racial Equality. He promoted many of the views he now dismisses, particularly about the speed with which Muslims would integrate and adopt British customs and attitudes.
When asked to what extent they agreed or disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain, 18% said they agreed and 52% said they disagreed, compared with 5% among the public at large who disagreed. Almost half (47%) said they did not agree that it was acceptable for a gay person to become a teacher, compared with 14% of the general population.
Nearly a quarter (23%) supported the introduction of sharia law in some areas of Britain. As many as 31% said Muslim men could have more than one wife – with many Muslim women agreeing – while 39% agreed that “wives should always obey their husbands”. The mainstream culture would probably find a majority saying husbands should obey their wives, so the chasm between Muslims and secular Britain could hardly be more stark.
The Guardian found at least one Muslim leader of a women’s group who took issue with the findings.
Huffington Post quoted moans about the survey methods from the Muslim Council of Britain and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC). Apparently, ICM went to areas with at least 20% Muslims to conduct their interviews, simply because it costs less to find people willing to take part in a survey where there are many of the target group.
Elshad Iskandarov of the OIC, told HuffPost UK: “If a particular study focusses on areas with at least 20% muslim populations these areas are likely to be more deprived than most, making extremism more attractive.” That is a telling comment. Actually, there is no evidence that Muslims in more middle-class areas, particularly young Muslims, are any more liberal that their peers in Oldham, for example.
In an article in the Sunday Times, Trevor Phillips says, inter alia:
‘The problem with Britain’s liberal white elite is twofold. First, they find it hard to grasp that people of colour may not want to reveal their true selves to people who do not share their backgrounds. The fact is that most people of colour are raised to expect that white folks will let them down. And to be frank, most black and Asian Britons will tell you that their expectations are seldom confounded.
‘Second, Britain’s increasingly deracinated opinion-forming classes are puzzled by the fierce attachment to religion among ethnic minorities. The number of places of worship attended mostly by Muslims and black evangelicals is rising. The fact that Britain’s ethnic minorities are intensely committed to their religious beliefs and practices seems baffling to secular liberals — indeed, somewhat threatening. Some of my journalist friends imagine that, with time, the Muslims will grow out of it. They won’t.
‘It should come as no surprise that Muslim liberals are in despair. They knew all of this long ago. And unlike the political elite and the liberal media, they recognise that British Muslim opinion is hardening against them. The journalist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, who has had to seek police protection because of her liberal views, argues that the optimistic belief that time and social contact will naturally lead to the integration of Muslims is mistaken: “You know, we [liberal Muslims] are a dying breed — in 10 years there will be very few of us left unless something really important is done.”
‘Britain’s Muslims are a diverse group; but, rich or poor, British-born or not, most have a deep commitment to their faith. Many are distressed by what they see as white Britain’s increasing secularism, low morals and loss of confidence in many of its own values. Those who told ICM’s researchers that they would prefer to live a more separate life in Britain are sending a clear signal: they really don’t want to adopt much of our decadent way of life.
‘Oddly, the biggest obstacles we now face in addressing the growth of this nation-within-a-nation are not created by British Muslims themselves. Many of our (distinctly un-diverse) elite political and media classes simply refuse to acknowledge the truth. Any undesirable behaviours are attributed to poverty and alienation. Backing for violent extremism must be the fault of the Americans. Oppression of women is a cultural trait that will fade with time, nothing to do with the true face of Islam.
‘Even when confronted with the growing pile of evidence to the contrary, and the angst of the liberal minority of British Muslims, clever, important people still cling to the patronising certainty that British Muslims will, over time, come to see that “our” ways are better. And since there are so few Muslims in the corridors of power, they seldom run into anyone who can show them the reality. Those who do want to make a difference are often consumed by fear that they will be seen as prejudiced. So while our liberal elite wrings its hands in anguish and makes school children celebrate Eid, Diwali, Hanukkah — and Easter — hundreds of young people are being seduced to join Islamist fanatics abroad, thousands of young girls are shipped off to have their genitals mutilated, and many more are pressured into marriages they do not want.’
If you cannot access the Sunday Times article, Bill Muehlenberg carries a lot of what Trevor Phillips wrote here.
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well, who would have thought?
They’ve been trying to conquer Christendom (the West) for 1400 years, now our traitorous “leaders” are inviting them in. They can’t believe their luck, all without a shot being fired!
Christians would never have tried to take control of the former Ottoman Empire, would they, let alone sub-Saharan Africa, India, and the East Indies? Not to speak of missionary work in Australasia (which went so badly in Tasmania), and the Americas. Shots did sometimes need to be fired, though, by those lucky enough to have guns.
I don’t think these Muslim immigrants to Britain are actually “conquering” or even converting the natives any more than Roman Catholic immigrant Poles are.
Also, there seems to be a bit of a flaw in the article as reported. If the report is only about British Muslims interviewed, it automatically excluded anyone of Muslim background who is no longer a Muslim, so it doesn’t give any information about this vital sector. If you interview devout Catholic Poles who still go to church regularly in England, this will tell you that devout Catholic Poles are devout and still go to church.
These lefty multi-culturalists, having let these people into our country, shouting down those who warned them of the consquences as racists, islamophobes, xenophobes, etc etc, now have the gall to turn around and say “oh, we were wrong”, and seem to expect us to meekly forgive and forget. I notice they keep their highly paid sinecures though. Of course, the damage has been done now, they’ve invited them in and its not possible to kick them out, back to the third world holes from which they came, and into which they want to turn the UK. Pathetic. I wish I could say the British people deserve better, but most just yawn and turn back to their TV diet of EastEnders, sports, “drama”, etc: when they’re not getting drunk, or drugged up, or having extra-marital sex, that is.
Where would you like to live, then Mark ? You don’t seem very happy here, and in fact you don’t seem to respect the British people any more than you do Muslim newcomers. Nor would you want to live somewhere more tropical, as it would be a “third world hole”. Nor I suspect in the European Union.
I think you’d soon become uneasy in the United States.
Possibly Australia or New Zealand, then ? Iceland, even.
I don’t think that people seeking a better life in the UK, whether as refugees or for whatever reason, want to turn the UK into a “third world hole”, however. What would be the point of that ? Their presence may tend to have that effect in some areas, if they are overcrowded and short of money, but it’s not what they “want”. They want streets not paved with gold, but paved with tarmac, which some of them see as a great wonder, and we hardly notice it !
I suspect you really want to live back in the 1950s, but that just isn’t possible. Also, I remember it well, and it wasn’t really all that pleasant considering the many extras we have nowadays (supermarkets, colour television, heating, computers …). Of course, if you could live in the 18th century it would be wonderful, I would agree with you, but only if you had enough money not to be downtrodden. The same goes for other eras, such as the Edwardian, or the 1930s in the right circles. It ain’t going to happen.
Mark has expressed the common belief that Islam is bent on conquest. While I am sure that this is true for some, Islam faces the same challenge from secularisation as Christianity. Hence the presence of ex-Muslim organisations.
Despite the pull of this faith, many people quietly walk away from Islam. Some turn to Christianity or other faiths; others become secular; others marry out, and leave it to their children to decide whether to follow Islam, or another faith or to become secular.
The West has many attractions to people from Islamic backgrounds. There’s the greater freedom for women, the recognition of the rights of homosexuals and the challenge to the strict rules of an Islamic orthodoxy. As with Christianity, there is a constant temptation to follow some rules but not others. All this saps the strength of Islamic orthodoxy.
I think, Michael, the ‘Islam is bent on conquest’ point is not just true for ‘some Muslims’, it is true of Islam itself, as a politico-spiritual entity.
The problem is, what you see as the ‘attractions’ of the West are viewed with a mixture of horror and disdain by young Muslims.
We can but pray that more Muslims will escape the clutches of Islam into Christianity, but for that they need to see a strong, vibrant, self-confident (or Christ-confident) Christianity.
I think the attractions of the West pose a greater challenge to Islamic orthodoxy than you may fear. My wife had a work acquaintance who did the Haj, but was shaken by the sight of so many beggars who had their hands amputated. When fanatics target civilians, Muslims as well as others become victims. For instance, there was a mosque in the Twin Towers that was destroyed when the towers fell. http://www.businessinsider.com.au/there-already-was-a-ground-zero-mosque-2010-9?r=US&IR=T
The attractions of the West are not just wine drinking, cabaret and pornography. They also include concepts such as the rights of women, free inquiry and respect for civil and political rights generally.
Outside pressure helped to end foot binding in China, widow burning in China and the same kind of pressure is helping to end female genital mutilation in the Middle East and Africa. Some features of Islamic orthodoxy are inconsistent with human rights, such as the belief that those who leave Islam should be killed or that slavery is legitimate.
Moderating voices in Christianity helped to establish freedom of religion and the rejection of the slaughter of witches and slavery. Moderating voices in Islam are winning the battle against female genital mutilation. Sami Yusuf’s song Not in my Name is a powerful condemnation of the fanaticism of Islamic State. http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/s/sami_yusuf/not_in_my_name.html
Young Muslims might be more radical than their parents, and this is a concern to the parents and also to society generally. However, the pressure on Islam to change and adapt is considerable.
I agree.
For every young Muslim using the internet to plan terrorism, think how many are using it for the normal range of purposes, the same as other young people in England or France.
Yes, but for every young Christian using the internet for the normal range of purposes, how many are using it to plan terrorism?
actually, Rox, Greece: a nice rural area, near the sea (without the rioting etc of muslim “migrants”).
where people still know right from wrong, are reasonably friendly, polite, mannered etc