A homosexual campaigner is today concluding a walk from London to Birmingham.
Matthew Ogston has walked from West Hampstead in London to Handsworth in Birmingham, finishing today, to publicise his new charity ‘Naz and Matt’ campaigning against what he calls ‘gay conversion therapy’ and for parents to accept their children’s homosexuality against their religious principles.
Mr Ogston was the homosexual boyfriend of one Dr Mahmood, a specialist in cosmetic procedures, who fell from the balcony of his penthouse in West Hampstead on 30th July 2014.
An inquest heard that Dr Mahmood took his own life just two days after confiding in his Muslim mother for the first time about his sexuality.
The court was told she suggested he saw a psychiatrist to find a ‘cure’ when he revealed his sexuality.
My view is that Ogston is selfish and deluded.
Any death is a tragedy, and Dr Mahmood’s is no exception. Suicide is the biggest cause of death for young men in Britain today. Given that, to blame Dr Mahmood’s suicide on his mother’s failure to embrace her son’s perverted lifestyle is far too convenient. There could have been any number of reasons aggregating in his mind.
Matthew Ogston is deluded, claiming to hear Dr Mahmood’s voice from “beyond the grave” telling him specifically to set up a campaigning charity.
He is also selfish, showing no sensitivity to Dr Mahmood’s family, who will rightly feel great shame over their son’s suicide and emotional problems and must be dismayed that his death is now being dragged through the mud in public as a political football.
It is undeniable that men and women have walked away from homosexual attractions through the power of the Christian Gospel. Whether Islam is any help in such a process is open to debate, but the Christian faith offers enormous support to those seeking to reach their emotional potential. No-one has to “stay gay”.
Mr Ogston is quoted as saying: “Being gay is loving someone, it’s not a disease, there’s nothing to be cured, it’s about love nothing else should matter.” A father and son or two brothers normally express their love without feeling the need to interfere with each other. No, ‘being gay’ is not just ‘about love’, it’s about emotional disorder, sexual abuse and perverting God’s created order.
By a strange coincidence, West Hampstead is just a stone’s throw from one homosexual cruising area, and Handsworth borders onto another. Most homosexual male couples engage in activities outside their primary relationship, for reasons which need not detain us at this moment. Just saying …
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Another sad, blind and deluded man. I guess we should pray for him.
Do these people ever consider what God will say to them on Judgement Day? I suppose they’ve convinced themselves that evolution is true.
I don’t think it’s possible that evolution could favour homosexuals. They might be fit enough to survive, but if they have no children, the system is just not going to work .
But, you see, if evolution is true, or if they think it is, they have no responsibility to live their lives as our Creator ordained. They can make it up as they go along. But they don’t know a day of judgment is coming.
Dr Mahmood must have known the kind of response he would have got from his mother and should have been ready for it. On the other hand, I wonder what the Koran, sundry hadiths, and her Imam have got to say about his often bizarre profession. She must have realised he wasn’t going to be eligible to enjoy the virgins in Paradise any time soon.
Quite a lot of Chrisians and others have heard voices like this over the centuries. I would hesitate to call it “deluded”, but I wouldn’t take it as coming literally from the source claimed, in this case the deceased doctor.
I don’t thing it is very helpful to mental health to say that families should be ashamed of family members with emotional problems. This kind of publicity is certainly not helpful, though .
There doesn’t seem to be much doubt that the choice of Hampstead and Handsworth is deliberate. If he had chosen a pleasant long distance footpath of the same length, his walk would have seemed even more pointless that it does now.
Hi Stephen,
i really, really, really want to understand, why you feel the need or think it is right, to speak so unfriendly of another human being. Please explain it to me.
There is a guy who lost a loved human he shared a live with for 13 years, shares his story in the press and walks, out of love, more than 100 miles. His name is Matt, or as you say, Ogston.
And there is another man, i assume never met this grieving first man, and jugdes him as “deluded” and “selfish”. He says a day of judgement will come, but nevertheless starts judging himself before this day. That´s you, Stephen.
I don´t understand how judging somebody who deeply mourns without having met them, is “the christian thing” – which is, as i understand, love another like you love yourselve. Can you please explain this to me?
How can you know if it is possible and if it is true, if Matt heared Naz´ voice? God works in mysterious ways and you are the only one who understands all those ways? As i see it, there is somebody sharing an experience. You may believe that or not, but how can you judge him and describe this guy with bad words?
“that men and women have walked away from homosexual attractions through the power of the Christian Gospel”? There are plenty of people, some having worked for decades in that movement, who left it – with good reasons. Have a look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex-ex-gay
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/michael-bussee-exodus-international-ex-gay_n_3475243.html
It is true that there are brothers who express their love without sleeping together. What has that to do with anything? Brothers and Sisters don´t sleep with each other as well – does that mean that no man should sleep with a women?
There are heterosexual couples who can´t get kids. Is their love inferior to the love of parents?
I am really sad to see that you, without that Matt ever did anything bad to you, speak so unfriendly of him here. Why is it, that you are so harsh about him, instead of offering him a cup of tea, talk to him, and spread love?
Please explain it to me, i really don´t understand it.
I have given my reasons for regarding Mr Ogston as deluded and selfish. It’s an observation. Judging people is done in courts of law.
Someone who claims to be mourning is not immune from criticism when he embarks on a political campaign for acceptance of what the Almighty describes as an abomination. You well endorse my point that ‘love’ is too broad a concept to be equated with acts of sodomy and gross indecency.
Thank you. And please stop calling me ‘harsh’. It makes you look judgmental.
Sorry about that; will not happen again. I will never call you “harsh” again.
Thanks for your Response; and thanks for educating about the Almighty. Finally, i found someone who can help me with specific advice – as you seem to be really, really full of detailed knowledge.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. What do you suggest?
b) I heared of somebody who wants to sell his daugther into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Poland, but not France. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own polish people? (i live in Germany)
e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? Honestly, i don´t want to do that. Maybe you come and help me, please?
f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an Abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die?
i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean; how to best play soccer and others sports?
j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.
I will come back to your website every chance i get, to view your response. I am so curious and happy that i finally found someone who can help be understand. Thanks so much for putting all the work into building this site!
Thank you so, so much!
Oh, not the Dr Laura questions again. Those who ask them think they are being really clever, but they display complete ignorance of the Christian faith. Anyway, I answered them fully nine years ago: http://www.repentuk.com/laura.html
It is astonishing how much you read, or seem to have read, in the bible. I haven´t. But i remember that one of the most beautiful passages about love is in the bible and it says something like “love does not judge” between other things.
I am sure, you know the place where it is written, without even thinking for a second.
Nontheless, you call me ignorant.
There are two men who loved each other for years, and did nobody harm by that – other than every other couple does, like arguing on parties about who said “I love you” first and stuff.
But nontheless, you update the whole bible, but continue to support deadly ideas. And unfortunately one has to call it that: as you surely know, leading psychological associations, including the worlds biggest one, clearly say that it is not only normal to be gay (and you surely know that there are more than 300 animals who scientifically have been seen being gay) but that those “cures” you propose do severe damage to mental health of those being forced into it, and often lead to suicide. Have a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_therapy#Status_by_Health_organizations
There is not one scientific proven case of a gay person who became heterosexual, as you state. Please show me psychological journals or other scientific material where it is shown, that a gay person “changed”. I have given you my source about my view.
The thing i am engaging here is, that i know how damaging to a happy life it is, if ideas such as you propose gain traction.
I only know of one human being who is christian personally i think really understood what it is all about: he is somebody, studying medicine, who is so full of love that he helped people in the Ebola Area; he is as kind and helping to old people, gay people, straight people, just all people. He just sees the best in all humans, and is happy for every happy relationship – gay, straight, with kids, without, muslim, christian, doesn´t matter.
That is, as i perceive the world, what we need: people seeing good in others, spreading love.
If i imagine a world where all happy couples are left alone or another where happy couples are judged by foreigners because they dare to make a political walk, i choose the first. Why can´t you just let happy people be happy?
I would really like to understand what happened in your life that led to the point where you are, as you seem, to be as of today. What happened to you? I really want to understand.
No, I cannot think of anywhere in the Bible which says ‘love does not judge’. There is a passage in Romans 14 about not judging your Christian brother about what feast days he keeps, and in 1Cor 13:5 charity thinketh no evil, but that hardly does what you want it to.
Love is not expressed in acts of sodomy or gross indecency. These are always abusive.
The Bible does not need updating. It is just as relevant now as when it was written.
You won’t accept any evidence for anyone changing, and every psychological body in the developed world is politicised anyway.
As for the Christian who is caring for Ebola patients, that is what we do. Caring for the sick, like speaking out against sin and evil, comes from God.
You really think homosexuals are happy? They all seem angry to me, either with themselves, or with their sexual partners, or with society, or with God, or with those standing up for what is right, or with all those at the same time.
And make no mistake, even though I shall never pass final judgment on anyone, there is a God who does and who will.
The Bible clearly teaches that sodomites can be changed – 1st Corinthians 6 v 9-11
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I would accept evidence, if there were any; it is quite presumptios of you, to say i wouldn´t without knowing me.
That is, what makes the things i read about you look so sad: you seem to forget the beautiful parts of the bible. Let me update you:
1. Corinthians 13:4:
Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant
You advise to read the whole bible to others – but forget the most beautiful part of the bible all way through? It seems to me that you only talk about those points in the bible which prove your homophobia you have.
I deeply feel sorry for you because you seem to have nearly no trust in the world as all is so politicized, wrong and bad as you seem to view the world. That must feel terrible and i hope, that you will finde happiness.
Another beauty in the bible to be found:
Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.
Think yourselve if saying if your headline is more one stiring conflict or full of love. To me, it is not full of love; use your brain the good lord gave you!
If you let me, i show you one of many couples, gay with children who do not only great, but are happy, are full of love. Do you want me to show you this couple? Just say yes if you are open to find something new in this world.
If you want to feel negative, don´t say yes.
When i think about the bible and read your posts, this comes to my mind:
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
1. Corinthians 13
I feel really sorry for you, for all the feelings you must have because you put them out here.
If you let me, i show you a gay family who is just happy, christian, and as boring, unique, and sometimes crazy as the rest of the world´s families. Are you open to such a possibility the creator in his mystirous ways could have thought of?
You can be selective in what you read in the Bible if you want but it will do you no good. You are merely casting God in your own image. I accept all of it, including those uncomfortable parts which tell you to repent, to be born again, to live righteously.
As to the second part of your comment, let me explain that every child has or has had a mother and a father. It follows that a ‘gay couple’ cannot have a child. If that child has any relation with either of them, he is the child of just one of them.
These ‘gay couples’ might believe themselves to be deliriously happy, but they have deprived a child of his mother, or father, and are bringing him up in a bizarre and unnatural environment. All of that is deeply selfish.
It’s the same with a boarding school, isn’t it ? They are usually one sex. The boys (or girls) there have had a mother and a father, but they end up instead with a group of replacement fathers (or replacement mothers) instead, This can result in a whole cabinet of men who lack some human qualities.
Excuse me, what “human qualities” do you refer to? And where do you base your assumption on?
It is clear that a loving home would be better than a boarding school; but first of all nobody can become an adult without experiencing both sexes – there are just too many men and women on the planet
And by that reply you show that you know nothing about how boys and girls grow up into mature heterosexual adults.