Tim Farron: sodomy is sinful

Former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron

Former Lib Dem leader Tim Farron

Tim Farron has said he regrets saying he did not believe homosexual sex was a sin during last year’s general election.

During the six-week long campaign, he was asked repeatedly about his religious beliefs and, specifically, about whether he believed gay sex was a sin.

After initially appearing not to answer the question directly, he said he did not want people getting the ‘wrong impression’ about his views, telling the BBC ‘I don’t believe that gay sex is a sin’.

Foolish and wrong

But yesterday, the ex-Lib Dem leader told Premier Christian Radio he had been ‘foolish and wrong’ and had spoken partly to try and get the issue of his faith ‘off the table’.

The committed Christian said the focus on his beliefs stopped him getting his message across during the campaign.

‘It was a little bit like having your main advertising hoarding permanently damaged and vandalised,’ he said.

Mr Farron stepped down as leader of the Lib Dems after last year’s election. He is now his party’s environment spokesman.

But in an interview yesterday with Premier Christian Radio, he said he now regretted not being honest with himself at the time. Furthermore, he admitted his answers had been motivated, partly, by political expediency.

Tim Farron under pressure

Asked whether he had felt under pressure to deal with the issue while touring the country, he replied: ‘The bottom line is, of course, I did.’

‘There are things – including that – that I said that I regret. There was a sense I felt I had to get this off my table: here’s a general election, a great opportunity for the Liberal Democrats… and all they wanted to do was talk about my Christian beliefs and what it meant.’

‘I would say foolishly and wrongly, [I] attempted to push it away by giving an answer that, frankly, was not right.’

Part of the difficulty he said he found himself wrestling with was the different understanding of what sin constitutes for Christians and non-Christians.

‘In the end, if you are a Christian you have a very clear idea of what sin is. It is us falling short of the glory of God, and that is something all of us equally share.

‘So to be asked that question is essentially to persecute one group of human beings because sin is something, Jesus excepted, we are all guilty of. But if you are not a Christian, what does sin mean? It is to be accused of something, to be condemnatory, and so we are talking different languages.’

Society tolerant – apart from …

Reflecting on his experience, he said he did not believe there was ‘a wicked agenda’ to marginalise or ridicule Christians.  Nevertheless, there was a risk of society becoming ‘tolerant of everything apart from the things we don’t like’.

He added: ‘There are some who just can’t comprehend that somebody can have really strong convictions and be a Bible-believing Christian on the one hand and at the same time really passionately believing in people’s rights to make their own choices, which essentially is what liberalism is.’

Our only point of difference with Mr Farron is over his belief that his faith should not colour his political views. That is a form of pietism.  It stands in contrast to a theonomic view that God makes laws, not man. For example, Jacob Rees-Mogg holds, with Tim Farron, a scriptural view on the sinfulness of sodomy. But Mr Rees-Mogg voted against gay marriage. Mr Farron voted for it.

More Credit to Tim Farron than Vince Cable

Nevertheless, we give Tim Farron great credit. He did wrong, he has admitted it. And full credit also to Premier Christian Radio for giving him a platform. Ours is not an army which shoots its wounded. His humility and repentance should encourage us all to stand full-square on the rock of faith, trust the word of God and proclaim the truth.

In addition, we know where Tim Farron stands.  He has made himself perfectly clear. The one who comes out with no credit at all is Vince Cable, current leader of the LibDems.

@vincecable tweeted: ‘I strongly disagree with @timfarron’s personal views expressed today. @libdems have a long & proud record of fighting for #LGBT+ rights: campaigning to repeal section 28, equalising age of consent and legislating for equal marriage. I will continue to champion rights and dignity.’

Is Mr Cable stupid or just being deliberately obtuse? Tim Farron voted for all those things. He may well have been wrong to do so, but he did.

‘Dangerous’ and ‘offensive’

Back in November 2017, Mr Farron gave a speech to the Theos think tank. He said devout Christians are seen as ‘dangerous’ and ‘offensive’ in modern Britain.

Tim Farron said the idea that there was a ‘unifying set of British values’ was a ‘myth’.

The MP for Westmorland and Lonsdale said: ‘If you actively hold a faith that is more than an expression of cultural identity you are deemed to be far worse than eccentric.

‘You are dangerous. You are offensive,’ he said.

‘Being homosexual’ not a sin

We want to be very clear that ‘being homosexual’; in the sense of suffering from same-sex attraction, is not a sin. It is pathological and may keep someone from full communion with the Almighty, but ‘being’ that way inclined is not a sin. It is doing homosexual acts which is sinful and dwelling on them ‘in the heart’.  There is such a fine line between temptation and sin, but temptation as such is not sin.  The Lord Jesus experienced temptation, but never sinned:

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Many of those who suffer same-sex attraction have been abused and then identify with the aggressor. A boy molested in a children’s home, for example, can then grow up thinking he is homosexual and experience those same desires.  He needs the forgiveness of Christ, as we all do, but he also needs healing and probably deliverance.  That being said, the word of God says plainly:

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. 23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

An abomination

Moreover, we read in the words above that homosexual activity is an abomination. Verse 22 is the only time that word is used in Leviticus 18 and verse 13 the only time in Lev 20. The Hebrew word is ‘To’ebah.’  It means morally disgusting.

(By the way, the word for shellfish and other unclean foods, also unfortunately translated ‘abomination’ all through Leviticus chapter 11 in the King James Bible, is the Hebrew word sheqets.’ Sheqets just means ‘dirty’. Not that homosexual acts aren’t dirty as well as being an abomination. But the Bible doesn’t say that. We digress. But we see the difference.)

In response to those homosexuals who snarl, ‘So I’m an abomination, am I?’  we need to say having same-sex desires itself is not an ‘abomination’.  Nor is any individual homosexual ‘an abomination’. That is, not until their doing becomes their being. There comes a point where your day-to-day sinful activity defines you. And we have to say that promoting such activity to school children is an abominable thing to do as well.

Moreover, I strongly believe that such depravity in mind or body provides an open invitation to the demonic.

God’s plan for humanity

Many people think Leviticus, or even the story of Sodom in Genesis 19, is the first time God speaks about human sexuality. But it isn’t. The Creator’s plan is for humanity to be formed around the societal institution of heterosexual love and marriage is revealed in the first two chapters of the first book of the Bible. In Genesis we read:

Gen 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.  24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

The Lord Jesus brought these two scriptures together in his answer to the Pharisees:

Mark 10:6 But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
7 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
8 And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.

And of course, being one flesh, in that full physical, emotional and spiritual sense, is something a pair of gays, or two lesbians, can never do. They lack the complementary physical, emotional and spiritual equipment.

Forgiveness, deliverance and change

We need to bring in some good news at this point.  Yes, we know there are many routes into homosexuality, which we might define as an inability as an adult to relate emotionally and sexually to a person of the opposite sex.

Homosexual activity is sinful.  Nevertheless, it is not an unforgiveable sin.  Jesus Christ went to the cross so that all sinners might be forgiven.  Furthermnore, the indwelling Holy Spirit, there for every believer, can heal and deliver.

So however someone became gay, they do not have to stay gay.  There is a way out.  Christ’s shed blood wipes away the stain of sin and releases believers from the power of sin.

It is do-able. Many men and women have walked away from homosexuality after realising that it was never God’s plan for their lives.

Why are the godless bothered?

Why is anyone who is not a Christian bothered about whether Christians believe homosexual activity is sinful in the eyes of God?  To put it another way, why are we ‘dangerous and offensive, as Tim Farron suggests?

I suggest it may be because:

1 They are deeply intolerant of any view but their own,
2 They are totalitarian, wanting to impose their views on others,
3 Maybe they are worried God might exist and be right,
4 They know deep down what they (or homosexuals) are doing is wrong,
5 We challenge and disturb their cosy world,
6 The thought there is one higher than them to whom they are responsible annoys and terrifies them,
7 Because from sodomy being a sin to sodomy being a crime is just one theonomic step away.

Nevertheless, no atheist should be at all concerned that I and however many others think buggery and gross indecency should be re-criminalised and recent laws repealed in this respect. We are a long way from the corridors of power.

The traffic is all in the opposite direction. Children are being taught that sodomy is just great and the Government even want to increase the propaganda level. The Government want people to be able to change their God-given gender at will.

Rubbish chute of history

I, and our wonderful Christian Voice members, are just a voice crying in the wilderness, calling for national repentance, urging Christian to pray, and pointing out that every previous society which has passed this way has gone down the rubbish chute of history.

Moreover, every previous civilisation which allowed its family base to crumble and institutionalised sodomy has been conquered by a stronger, self-confident, monogamous culture.

Now, where would we look for one of those on our doorstep today?

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  1. I’m pleased to note that Tim Farron appears to be coming out as a true believer.

    We all say foolish things when under pressure and it is obvious that Tim was the victim of a secular inquisition that tolerates all views except those that come from God’s infallible word.

  2. I would think his conscience troubled him and at last he found space to express his regret. There is so much pressure today from a sin-sick society. Our leaders need praying for. I must question, how could Tim Farron have joined the current day liberals to start with. It would be better for him to now go one step further and become an Independent.

  3. Very pleased to hear that Tim has spoken out and reclaimed his stand as a BIble believing Christian. Those who had ears to hear, would I am sure like me, have picked up that he was caving in under relentless pressure and not giving his real views.

    How glad he must be to have made that confessoin and now be able to move on with his life. May he gain strength to stand strong aggainst any onslaught that may yet come against him!

    We must pray for our Christian brothers and sisters in government.

  4. Well done Tim Farron for repenting of his denial of his faith, and, by the same token, his denial of the Lord Jesus Christ, imo. Any Christian who climbs the greasy pole would face similar pressure, and worse, under present circumstances.

    Personally, I couldn’t care less what homosexuals do in the privacy of their own bedrooms (of course, as noted above, it has gone well beyond that: we must all now agree that homo-sex is wonderful,, etc, etc etc and those who disagree will face punishment, eg Felix Ngole, etc etc etc, as noted in the veiled threats from the likes of Vince Cable and his bogus “tolerance”), I just don’t want it shoved down my throat.

    Our society continues on its path towards authoritarian totalitarianism, as predicted in the Bible, where views contrary to the PC dogma are ridiculed and, now, worse: you may well lose your job, etc. Mainly the intentional work of the God-hating cultural Marxists of course to bring down Christian Western civilisation, a process started in the sixties which is now coming to full fruition. Only national repentance can save us, imo. Trump may be a reprieve, temporary in my view, and Brexit may mean that God has not finished with the UK: solely, imo, He may be answering the prayers of the Godly missionaries, and others, sent out from these islands years ago, certainly nothing to do with the current generation of Brits who are pretty worthless, imo. As noted by another contributor, “Britian is finished”. I would say, yes, it is, certainly God sending revival/national repentance is our only hope now. I suppose it is always darkest before the dawn.

    1. The “privacy of the bedroom” is irrelevant to God. He sees all, knows all and is always true to His word. There is no doubt from scripture that He regards homosexual acts as sinful. What He regards as sin is sin, regardless of our own opinions on the matter. We must strive our utmost to conform with His laws and follow in His ways as disciples of Christ.

      1. Indeed he does.

      2. Indeed we must. But in the criminal courts, anything happening in the privacy of a bedroom has not been witnessed and unless there is a voluntary confession it cannot be prosecuted. This is why the Sexual Offences Act 1967 was simply stating the obvious. It did not need to be enacted. But of course it was misinterpreted not as permitting what was unlawful in privacy, but as legalising such behaviour except in public. Thus it led to the gay pride marches, the ‘pink pound’, and to the promotion of perversion.

  5. A comprehensive exposition and analysis of the Biblical position on homosexual acts, Stephen. I would only add
    Romans 1:26-28 (ESV)
    “For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
    And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.”
    Paul identifies such behaviour not just as individual sin but a societal decadence, a society that God “gave up”. But for the remnant of the elect, I suspect God would give up on our nation.
    You identify that it is only homosexual acts that are sinful, ‘being’ homosexual is not. But I do wonder if, in the same way that Christ identified adulterous desires as sinful, whether this equally applies to homosexual desires.
    Tim Farron has repented of his errant, duplicitous position, and I hope of his previous voting history. But I believe he is wrong to say that there is no agenda to marginalise or ridicule Christians. Rather this is the intent of a growing militant element among atheists in this country, who use this issue in particular as a means of attack.

    1. Hi, good points, well made. I don’t believe he repents of his voting because he does not yet take a theonomic view. We are all at different stages on our walk with the Lord.

      1. He is believing and moving forward. That is all that any of us can do.

        1. Absolutely right.

  6. Jacob Rees-Mogg often disagrees with the media and they get all excited about it, pretending to be shocked. He considers himself a Christian as well, and they were jumping up and down about him saying abortion was wrong. Many of the public have abortions, so you’d think it were a riskier thing to say, but actually him telling the truth has helped his popularity no end. Once politicians realise these things can be dealt with like a man, and that the public do actually like a man of conviction, then hopefully this sorry affair regarding lack of free political expression will begin to wane. We are being dictated to by the depraved political class of America regarding sodomy. They can’t show their faces. You just have to knock down their puppets.

  7. This good faithful open letter published 6 years ago in ‘The Times’ on 16 March 2012. is from the widow of Lord (Russell) Johnson deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats to Nick Clegg, then leader of the Liberal Democrats. Probably someone could send this to Tim Farron for him to follow her footsteps and resign from the Lib-Dems.

    Her amazing prediction that same sex marriage will (if permitted) be promoted in schools as being on the same footing as traditional marriage” is coming true,.

    As the widow of Lord (Russell) Johnson, a former leader of the Scottish Liberal Party and deputy leader of the Liberal Democrats, I regret that I must now resign from the party. I cannot condone the way it is promoting gay “marriage”.

    “This country is in very grave danger from the consequences of having turned its back on all the fundamental boundaries and principle that have stood it in very good stead over the centuries, the basis for these having been the Ten Commandments as laid down in the Bible”

    While no society is ever perfect, the observance of these commandments, together with New Testament Bible teaching have, at the least, led to recognisable stability. Trying to normalise a society which does not adhere to these principles has worryingly led to Christians being discriminated against.

    The policies (being pursued by current leader Nick Clegg) go far beyond the boundaries of a kindly tolerance, with the result that, in the interests of a woolly headed liberalism, our former guidelines and boundaries are being recklessly abandoned.

    The result is a society which is largely geared to the aggrandisement of self and material gain, with very little respect for much else.

    While I agree that minority groups have a right to be heard, this same right must be afforded to Christians.

    As far as I am concerned, the straw that has finally broken the camel’s back is the claim (contained in a recent e-mail to me from Mr Clegg), that one of the Liberal Democrats’ achievements by 2015 will have been the first gay marriage.

    Marriage, as stated in the Bible and whose meaning has been accepted in all dictionaries in existence, is the union between a man and a woman, one of the purposes of which is the procreation of children. Clearly, therefore, there cannot be a “marriage” between two people of the same sex.

    There is nothing homophobic in this stance.

    Although Christians believe that homosexuality is a sinful practice, they accept that homosexuals exist, and if they want to make their union permanent and recognised legally, there is already a civil ceremony available for that purpose. That is not the issue.

    The fact that the word “marriage” should be applied to such a union, and more importantly that such a union should be allowed to take place in a church, is the issue. I also take strong exception to the fact that if the party advocates the redefining of “marriage” in this way, it follows that this will be promoted in schools as being on the same footing as traditional marriage between a man and woman. As a Christian, I strongly oppose this.

    As a committed Christian, I have no choice but to resign my party membership forthwith.

    1. Brilliant Jason.

  8. Resigning though is something that makes a transient appearance in the press and then you are forgotten about. Surely some strategy as it was with Dan Hannen and the EU would be a wise move. He never resigned, but simply said each time he was able to be interviewed that he thought we should leave. The party line was the opposite, but he gained immense popularity by simply reminding them all the time. It was newsworthy of course because News loves controversy. They could not sack him as he was a very articulate speaker and he hung on by his popularity. So there’s an idea. If you happen to be a Lib Dem Christian politician, stay put. Be awkward.

  9. I thought that UKIP would be an answer, but now the new leader’s first act is to leave his wife and go off with a model. What turmoil we live in. All that’s left is the Christian Alliance Party. I don’t honestly see any alternative as all the bigger parties now mess up on sexual morality. I still believe there is a powerful silent majority if there was a party for them.

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