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I don’t agree with Nigel starting his own party because all this does is split the vote.
It would have been much better to unite rather than divide.
I am praying that UKIP will do well in the next elections. The party leader Gerard Batten is a bold leader and pro Christian.
Our brothers in Christ Allan Craig and David Kurten are also doing a wonderful job in that party standing for Christian freedoms.
” In a 2013 interview with openDemocracy, Batten argued that the European Union was inspired by the proposals the Nazis developed in 1942 for Europe after they had won the Second World War, claiming they were very similar to the 1957 Treaty of Rome.”
Roman Empire, Nazi-conquered Europe, you pays your money and you takes your choice.
I would have thought it was obvious that the EU has a lot more elections than either, but the way it is run is certainly not perfect. It’s only the British system which can be relied on to work smoothly and democratically every time, with the USA a close second !
There is a lot more about Mr Batten in the Wikipedia article.
I agree with Gerard Batten.
We need a PM like him that will be bold and take a stance for this nation.
We also have men of God in UKIP too such as Alan Craig and David Kurten.
I am praying that our God will raise them up at this time to deliver this nation.
Dear sir :I pray all goes well with your country
Happily, Parliament, i.e. the Commons, has rejected all the fantasy, alternative deals that weren’t on offer anyway. But, contradictorily, it has also rejected not having a deal at all (again), apart from leaving on WTO-terms that is.
Staying in the EU is on offer. We are allowed to revoke article 50 .
Yes, ‘We’ could do that, after a majority of the UK voted to leave. And after both Tories and Labour promised to honour that result in their manifestos. Very clever, that would be. And with those Euro Elections looming! Perhaps you could base your thesis for a Master’s Degree in Political Science on the idea…
The turnout was 72% so I make that 37% of those who could vote. Not a majority of the UK, a majority of those who voted. It was a legitimate result but unless one’s God is “the people” not necessarily a good one. The recent march to London did not show a change of mind by the people, as claimed, but it did remind the authorities that people who are alarmed at the way things are going actually exist. I think Mrs May should revoke Article 50, not to stay in the EU, but to do Brexit properly next time. May God raise up people who are capable of it.
Perhaps, but it’s misleading to call it
” all the fantasy, alternative deals that weren’t on offer anyway”. It is tecnically possible, and could be backed up by another referendum. If that was in favour of it, who are you to say “You aren’t allowd to change your minds” ?
What would Machiavelli do ?
@ Rox G
You are correct that remaining in the EU is on offer. That wasn’t one of the “fantasy, alternative deals that weren’t on offer anyway” that failed to command a majority. But this option didn’t command a majority anyway, probably because of the faults in it that Stephen has already explained.
The only outcomes that we already know now are possible, are the negotiated withdrawal agreement that the Commons has already rejected twice, leaving on WTO terms (no deal), and revoking article 50. These three have all been rejected by the Commons with decisive majorities voting against them.
So far. That was only the first stage of a complicated process, as I understand it. Let’s see what happens next week .
It would have been difficult to prophesy that Theresa May might resign in response to Parliament voting for her deal. I would have expected her to resign in response to Parliament NOT voting for her deal. It just shows that I don’t understand these matters, I suppose. And I really don’t think you are going to find much of a solution in the Old Testament, particularly not the book which Jehoiakim had burned in the fire, which seems to me peculiarly irrelevant, but I just don’t understand these matters, I suppose.
1st April seems rather an unfortunate date to have allocated to Sir Oliver’s enterprise.
All fools day. Nice one, Lord. The Jeremiah account simply says to me, ‘even if your MP rejects what you say, tell him again.’ And above all, tell him. Otherwise he can say he never knew and you have ducked your prophetic duty.
Thank you again Stephen.
After tomorrow has passed and assuming we still have not left, I plan to tell my Remain voting, TM’s deal voting MP that I feel betrayed by all the broken promises and would like him to pass that on to both Parliament and Government. We know there are many who feel exactly the same.
‘The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked’. Jeremiah 17 v 9. Here we prove we have traitors. Firstly Bercow in allowing MPs to seize control and now in conjunction with May by allowing the rules to be circumvented so she can try and get one part of her withdrawal plan through. The thin end of the wedge to get her May plan through. Sadly, it seems that some of the ERG could today go and agree with this latest move to be voted on at 2.30pm. They are aware that two days ago the H of C rejected a ‘no deal’ by 240 and this seems a persuasion factor in their change.
What straits we are in and where will it end! The DUP are holding fast. Today is a very important day in our history to how the tide will turn. May our enemies be scattered.
Please clarify my confusion, as to my understanding is that the 12 April deadline refers to the last date at which the UK can confirm that it wants to takes part in the EU elections or not, only then if the UK declines to not be involved in the EU elections will the official leaving day be the 22nd of May.
This is what the EU Council decided on 22nd March:
‘Under the European Council decision, in the event that the withdrawal agreement is approved by the House of Commons by 29 March 2019 at the latest, the extension will be until 22 May 2019. In the event that the withdrawal agreement is not approved by the House of Commons by 29 March 2019, the extension will be until 12 April 2019. In that event, the UK will indicate a way forward before 12 April 2019, for consideration by the European Council.
‘The decision makes clear that for the duration of the extension the United Kingdom remains a member state with all the rights and obligations set out in the treaties and under EU law. If the UK is still a member state on 23-26 May 2019, it will be under the obligation to hold elections to the European Parliament.
‘The extension also excludes any re-opening of the withdrawal agreement. …’
If the UK wants a further extension, after 12th April, HMG must apply to the EU Council for such an extension. But the decision day as to whether the UK will take part in the May elections is 12th April.
I wonder how long he will stay in charge for. Grieve was in charge the other day, but the news today is that his constituents have deselected him!
Writing letters to the Beaconsfield Conservatives appears to work.
“The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers take counsel together against the LORD….He who sits in the heavens laughs; The Lord scoffs at them.” Psalm 2. God is in charge, not Theresa May, Letwin, Grieve, the EU, or anyone else.
Well said indeed. May we see the over ruling hand of God in all this. I have just written to my MP who sadly this time voted for this May deal yesterday. They need writing to. I said something along the lines : –
We would urge you to vote against this 4th May Brexit attempt on this Monday as it is seen to be most unprecedented for any government to try and further manipulate a Mrs May deal, which to have N. Ireland coming under the customs union will not only restrict our ability to trade, but has no legal exit date. It could well start the fragmenting of the United Kingdom. We need to be of one union..
A clean break on the new date of 11 April is what we require as the best option on the table and to fulfil the manifesto pledges and the commitment made to the British people after the referendum. Anything else goes right against the will of the referendum.
If the conservatives are brave enough to take us out of the EU on WTO terms, they will hold a far better chance at the next election (whenever that will be).
If anyone lives near Leeds please do join us tonight for prayer where intercessors gather together from across different churches to pray for this nation. Brothers and sisters we need to stand in the gap at this time and battle in the heavenly realms + cry out to the lord for this nation. I pray the lord will raise up intercession all over the cities in the UK in Jesus name.
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