Christians in the UK are being ‘driven underground’ and ‘vilified’ by British judges, former archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey has warned.

Lord Carey condemned British judges who ‘consistently applied equality law to discriminate against Christians.’ The result, he warned, is that Christians are being progressively driven out of the public sphere.

The former archbishop’s remarks form part of a written submission he is presenting to the European Court of Human Rights, in advance of a hearing in Strasbourg on 4 September which will look at the cases of various British employees who have been discriminated against in the workplace because of their Christian beliefs.
He will be asking the European Court of Human Rights to intervene to safeguard Britain’s religious freedoms.
Among the concerns he is raising is the fact that believers are being treated as ‘bigots’, while many face being fired from their jobs simply for expressing their Christian beliefs. He blamed this on a ‘secular conformity of belief and conduct’ which is resulting in the Christian faith being effectively ‘banned’ from public.

He continued: ‘In a country where Christians can be sacked for manifesting their faith, are vilified by state bodies, are in fear of reprisal or even arrest for expressing their views on sexual ethics, something is very wrong….’

“Christians are excluded from many sectors of employment simply because of their beliefs; beliefs which are not contrary to the public good”.

 

Further Reading


Persecuted Christians take Government to European Court so they can express their beliefs at work

Lord Carey: Christians ‘vilified’ by courts

The Persecution of Christians in Britain (Part 1)

The Persecution of Christians in Britain (Part 2)

 

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  3. 1. Would that be Lord Carey, who has suffered so much Christian persecution, he was made an unelected law-maker?

    2.” Lord Carey condemned British judges who ‘consistently applied equality law to discriminate against Christians.” Is he seriously suggesting that Christians should be made exempt from equality laws? What makes Christians so special they should be treated any different from anybody else?

    Here’s a thought: How about instituting a seperate system of laws especially for Christians? I know, we could call it something like ‘Sharia Law’.

    3. Can anybody here point me to a single piece of legislation that specifically forbids Christians, or any other religious group, from expressing their faith in public?

    • 1 Lord Carey only started speakng out after he was made a peer. But it is ordinary people he is talking about.
      2 He complains the judges are applying equality law to favour secularists over Christians, that Christians receive no protection under equality laws. It’s Islam which has what you call ‘sharia law’ not Christianity and that was tautology in any case, as the Arabic word ‘sharia’ means ‘law’ or a code for living.
      3 The Police seem to think the Public Order Act 1986 does, although they are wrong, at the moment.
      4 Try sexual counselling, being a public registrar, offering wedding premises, operating a bed and breakfast, nursing (unless you are really careful), driving a van or being a manager for a housing association, being a teacher, fostering, running an adoption agency or being a magistrate considering questions of adoption.
      Some of the cases above are listed here: https://www.christianvoice.org.uk/?p=3097

      • Please give examples of sectors of employment where the conditions of employment specifically state that Being a Christian is not allowed. I’m not interested in a slack handful of individuals who believe the rules do not apply to them.

        • Play the ball, not the man, old boy. There are lots of things you are not interested in, Dave, the truth of the matter being one of them. Where did it say in the Trafford Housing Conditions of Employment that voicing an opinion on gay marriage was against the rules? Or elsewhere that offering to pray for a patient was against the rules?

          • Cricket metaphors are lost on me I’m afraid. Where does it say that Christians cannot be housing officers or doctors? Be specific.

  4. 4. “Christians are excluded from many sectors of employment simply because of their beliefs; beliefs which are not contrary to the public good”. Can anybody identify those sectors of employment that Christians are excluded from? Should be easy, as apparently there are many.

  5. Is anyone really surprised that christians are vilified in this day and age, the bible says that in the last days christians will be persecuted, just look how times have changed, you would not have seen this happen 40 years ago and its all thanks to minority groups and successive governments full of liars and thieves working for their own benefit and for their euro masters, whats happening is just the tip of the iceberg and the start of much worse to come, when these criminals usher in their one world government, christianity will be driven underground.

    Nice to see you back dave!

    • I should have thought you’d be overjoyed that we’re in the last days, TS. It means that JC is coming back. True enough, he was pretty rubbish at predicting accurately when it would happen and is almost two thousand years late, but no god’s perfect.

      So, you really ought to be revelling in this persecution of the poor christians.

          • Of course it didn’t spring from nothing.

            As any fule noes, long ago all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life. This germ began to mix things around and around until the heavier part sank and the lighter part rose. A muddy sea that covered the entire earth was created. From this ocean grew a green shoot. It grew and grew until it reached the clouds and there it was tranformed into a god. Soon this god grew lonely and it began to create other gods. The last two gods it made, Izanagi and Izanami, were the most remarkable.

            One day as they were walking along they looked down on the ocean and wondered what was beneath it. Izanagi thrust his staff into the waters and as he pulled it back up some clumps of mud fell back into the sea. They began to harden and grow until they became the land (specifically, the islands of Japan, but let’s not be too particular about that: these were gods after all).

            The two descended to these islands and began to explore, each going in different directions. They created all kinds of plants. When they met again they decided to marry and have children to inhabit the land. The first child Izanami bore was a girl of radiant beauty. The gods decided she was too beautiful to live on earth, so they put her up in the sky and she became the sun. Their second daughter, Tsuki-yami, became the moon and their third and unruly son, Sosano-wo, was sentenced to the sea, where he creates storms.

          • I thought you were describing the myth of evolution for a minute. ‘all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life’ and the ‘muddy sea’ sound uncannily like what evolutionists believe. I never knew Darwinism and Shinto were so similar.

          • Funny that you should see the parallels between Shinto and your perception of evolution – although what you’re in fact describing is not evolution but abiogenesis, but I appreciate you might find the two very different concepts confusing – but not with the biblical creation fable.

            Substitute ”all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life” for “god” and ”the muddy sea” for the “face of the deep” / “face of the waters” in Genesis 1:2, and hey presto, you’ve got an account of the start of the universe according to orthodox Judaism / Christianity.

            I wish these creation myths would demonstrate a little more variety, but a girl can’t have everything.

          • Yes, if you substitute something for something completely different I’m sure you can get a parallel between anything you like!
            Actually, the Bible says: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Gen 1:1-2)
            No elements mixing together, no muddy seas in the Biblical account at all.
            But now try substituting ‘a set of molecular reactions flipped a switch and became life’ for ‘all the elements were mixed together with one germ of life’ and ‘primordial soup’ for ‘muddy sea’ and you realise that how the Shinto creation myth and the Evolution creation myth should be so similar is uncanny.
            Go see the evolution myth here: http://www.livescience.com/10531-life-began-research-suggests-simple-approach.htmll

          • I do love the special pleading that christians apply to their own creation fairy story, incidentally, whilst rubbishing all other comers. Thoroughly charming.

          • By the way, Stephen, you’re still conflating or confusing (or maybe both) evolution with abiogenesis. I’m happy to explain the difference between the two, if you need help.

          • For the benefit of those of our readers who are not quite up to speed with evolutionist mythology, abiogenesis is the theory that life began from non-living chemicals, while evolution takes over once life has begun. It’s all a bit semantic, since atheists need both life to arise mysteriously from the swamp, which you could say is a sort of ‘evolution’, and then the primitive life itself to ‘evolve’ for no apparent reason to produce the complex life forms we see today. The various sub-theories of abiogenesis – and there have been lots of them – are considered here: http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp

          • Written by the Creation Research Society. Who have no axe whatsoever to grind and approach the issue from an impartial and purely scientific viewpoint. So long as it supports the Christian creation myth

          • If evolution is a myth, then that makes the whole science of biology also a myth. Zoology, genetics, geology, geophysics, astronomy, cosmology, mathematics, archaeology and any other discipline that invalidates the bible are also myths. I’m sure this is going to come as quite a shock to the global scientific community.

          • Am I given to understand then, Steve, that you adopt the biblical account of creation by the Judeo-christian god as a more or less verbatim account? Along similar lines, the global flood – real or parable?

        • Oh yes: JC was due back for his encore within the lifetime of his initial fanclub – see, for example, Matthew 16:28, Luke 9:27, Matthew 23:36, Matthew 24:34, Matthew 26:64, Mark 9:1, Mark 13:30, Luke 21:32 and more besides.

          I suppose we ought to know better than to trust a tradesman’s time estimates.

          And only one god? I’ll tell you what, you show me proof that Isis, Balder, Izanagi and Quetzalcoatl didn’t / don’t exist, and I’ll agree with you on this one.

          • Nice try alex, close but no cigar!, the verses you’ve listed comes at near the end of a chapter, and have to do with the signs and wonders that will appear before the second coming, the reborn figtree is israel which became a nation again in 1948,it’s this generation that shall not pass away, not ”his initial fanclub”, read the whole chapter not just one verse!

            And i’ll tell you what, you show me proof that they did/do exist, and we can discuss some more?

          • Riiiight. So the various references to a generation not passing away was what? Padding? Poetic licence? The figtree nonsense might pass muster if the timing was a one-off, but alas the precition that our jewish friend would be back shortly is scattered about the NT pretty liberally (it certainly features more frequently than references to the evils of homosexuality, which Christian Voice takes oh so seriously).

            And thank you: the request by a christian for proof that other gods did or do exist, without a hint or irony, has given me the best laugh I’ve had all week.

          • I guess you didn’t pick up the sarcasm when i asked you that then!

            And as for that other dribble you’ve come out with, that clearly tells me that you havn’t a clue what your talking about and don’t know one end of a bible from the other.

          • “(You) don’t know one end of a bible from the other.”

            It starts off as a fantasy story, ends as a fantasy story, and is pretty much a fantasy story all the way through.

          • (No alex)

            That’s what you hope dave. You pair should go to youtube and watch AGE OF DECEIT fallen angels and the new world order, its very good, i’d recommend it.

    • I’ll give number 4 a shot:

      * Delegate to the General Assembly of the Sikh Council UK;
      * Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations of the Commonwealth;
      * Member of the Islamic Sharia Council UK.

      With the exception of a couple more cut from similar cloth, that’s about it.