May 01

Caster Semenya loses IAAF appeal

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  1. It makes me wonder whether there is some scientific reason for this genetic problem. Genes can sometimes go wrong, and corrupt code will do this sort of thing. Therefore, I wonder if perhaps it might be something like a chemical the mother was exposed to when pregnant.

    These days pharmaceutical chemicals are highly complex and it is quite conceivable that one in a million maybe gets an adverse reaction. The testing is all probability-based, so of course the scientists would admit if they were honest that these problems can not be ruled out completely. Not only that, but there is the effect of different chemicals only causing trouble if present together. Think of how many tests you would have to do to cover every combination.

    We see weird increases in some of these genetic diseases, like apparently there is one which relates to gluten. Rather than the number of cases go down per unit of population, in some cases these once rare diseases are showing worrying increases in their prevalence.

    I personally like to steer clear of these chemicals. Without such pharmaceutical interference the body is remarkably well able to look after itself, and get you better. I believe a lot of people these days suffer a kind of chain reaction. First they get a headache say because they are dehydrated, so they take a pill and the pill then upsets something else so they need a pill to fix that and so on.

      • Stephen
      • Stephen on 2 May 2019 at 08:57
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      It could be simply a result of the Fall. But you make a good point.

      1. Thanks for the compliment. I was commenting on the condition described as DSD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disorders_of_sex_development

        Actually it is the first time I’ve come across such a term, but understood it to mean congenital abnormalities where the genes have become corrupted. The normal biological process of reproduction has failed for some reason.

        I have just looked up DSD in Wikipedia and was blasted with a load of talk on controversy surrounding classification, and the alternative description competing with DSD, known as “intersex”. The rest of the page goes into the classification system employed under DSD, so it is really functioning as a classification system to aid research. It appears though that it is also entering into popular debate and we are down to which words must we use! (sounds familiar)

        Anyhow, the way I see it is the classification system employed is not really going to tell us much on its own. There is a vastly complicated and intricate system of which errors in which genes cause which types of malfunction. Popular debate does not go there. I don’t see it getting very far either if it is just going to argue over words.

        Some genetic malfunctions lead to horrific looking conditions, like the sort of thing that was witnessed after Hiroshima because of all the radiation in the environment. It’s hardly a thing to “celebrate”, but the Wikipedia page on DSD does make it look like our international organisations are trying to create a new PC category for them, and most likely with rights and all of that. The WHO tends to have most of the clout. They will instruct the European Union.

  2. “Caster Semenya, who is genetically male but competes as a woman simply because women’s races are easier to win”

    Not “simply”. Caster Semenya is not transgendered. She is not a man pretending to be a woman in order to win medals, as you imply.

    My South African late wife taught an intersex child at a school in Mthathata, who had been born with ambiguous genitals that the doctors had decided to mutilate surgically when she was a baby, to make them more female-looking than male. She was a Tomboy who loved to play football with the boys and was very good at it. It sounds as though Caster is the same. Assuming so, it strikes me as unfair of you to cast her as a villain.

    “Caster Semenya ‘self-identifies’ as a woman but might equally ‘self-identify’ as a man. It’s a matter of choice.”

    In the case of the “girl” my late wife taught, the decision that she should identify as a woman was taken by doctors soon after her birth and the genital mutilation was imposed upon her without her consent. If she chose to self-identify as a man as an adult, many might now be accusing her of voluntary transgenderism for rejecting her certified birth sex.

    Likewise, there was probably never a time at which Caster was invited to decide whether s/he wanted to be a boy or a girl, or to consent to mutilation of her abnormal genitals.

    The Nashville Statement (which I have signed) addresses the matter of intersex people at Article 6 as follows:

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    WE AFFIRM that those born with a physical disorder of sex development are created in the image of God and have dignity and worth equal to all other image-bearers. They are acknowledged by our Lord Jesus in his words about “eunuchs who were born that way from their mother’s womb.” With all others they are welcome as faithful followers of Jesus Christ and should embrace their biological sex insofar as it may be known.
    WE DENY that ambiguities related to a person’s biological sex render one incapable of living a fruitful life in joyful obedience to Christ.

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    I have in the past expressed support for a campaign to ban genital mutilation of babies in order to reinforce the assignment by adults of one or other sex.

    It is important to emphasise that the acronym LGBTI is an even greater mischief than the acronym LGBT. The latter lumps transgenderism in with homosexuality, when it is quite clearly a much greater moral evil even than homosexuality, as I argue in my own blog post “Stop gender fraud”. The former lumps DSD in with Transgenderism (as you have), when DSD is clearly not a moral evil at all, but rather a disabilty innocently acquired before birth, possibly exacerbated by incompetently-prescribed genital mutilation surgery performed upon babies. That is a debating trick of those in rebellion against God’s order we ought not to imitate.

  3. I largely agree with JohnAllmam.UK’s comments and also object to the very offensive remark about a brick outhouse. However if the reports about marriage are correct, it does call into question her honesty in participating in athletics as a woman. But I would not want to smear someone born with DSD who has sincerely identified/been identified as a woman, and I don’t know enough about Caster to make a judgement in this case, so without good justification (although the alleged marriage would move towards providing this) I am not comfortable with referring to her as a man.

      • Stephen
      • Stephen on 3 May 2019 at 06:33
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      Someone with testes is a man, IMHO

  4. What garbage mentality are we degenerating into with all this utter filth and sewage brained thought processes!! It is unbelievable that we should be required to take these garbage brained idiots seriously! At the end of the day, does it matter?
    Let them destroy themselves, their credibility, and in their stupidity their whole existence. They should be UTTERLY disregarded.

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    • A. K on 4 May 2019 at 18:19

    It boils down to chromosomes. A man is XY and a woman XX. So it’s simple to resolve, but on the face of it I completely agree Stephen, possessing male gonads and having a completely male musculature indicates this is most definitely a man even without that test. It’s not an equal race from the offset and how he can feel proud of his achievements in winning when it’s done dishonestly is beyond me. OK he cannot help how he was born, it’s a medical defect, but it’s quite clear from appearances he is male and is conferred an extremely unfair advantage. His facial bone structure is male as well as his physique (male ratio shoulder bones) see here: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/566468459366873182. Black people often have very good natural muscle definition, but there’s another black competitor running behind him and just by eye, the comparison between this person and him is clear to differentiate as grossly different. Not only do males have larger, stronger bones, larger stronger muscles that endure longer, but they also have larger lung capacity. It’s ridiculously unjust and the rules need changing completely.

  5. Intersex people are extremely rare and the “embarrassment” of deformed genitalia is clearly a problem for the parents at birth when everyone asks, “Is the baby a boy or a girl?” I have heard of one other child born in this condition where the doctors, under the misplaced notion of believing that gender is a social construct, decided that surgery would “fix” the problem. It didn’t. He grew up regretting what they had forced upon him.

    Is a better way of handling this to acknowledge that every nucleated cell in the body either carries a Y chromosome or it does not? (There are some people with two Y chromosomes in their cells, but they are always clearly male.) It might be helpful if the doctors faced with an intersex baby tested the chromosomes before deciding on any action and also the IAAF looked at the chromosomes, too.

    The amount of testosterone is not really the issue. If Semenya suppressed his testosterone, he would still have an unfair advantage. Looking at the chromosomes would be a fairer way to judge the issue. I think that God is far fairer and loving in his dealings in this, and it is a subject which is becoming more important today than possibly ever before. One in eight Caucasian men and one in four Afro-Americans will be diagnosed with prostate cancer (PCa). Testosterone encourages PCa growth. Testosterone suppressants are therefore routinely used in some cases – with some men being castrated instead. So we have some men who are “eunuchs” because of medical treatment. (Obviously, the same applies in testicular cancer, but there only one testicle is usually affected and therefore removed.) But God still treats the person as a man, and not less than a man. The way that the Ethiopian eunuch was treated should encourage all such men. It is traumatic to have such surgery, but God is still loving towards those who are his, and we should always treat such men in the same way. A male intersex is still a man. The Greeks used the testicles as witnesses to manhood (that is what the word means) but God made everyone either male or female. And that applies to intersexes and eunuchs.

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