The UK Parliament has approved the creation of children with 3 biological parents in the hope of preventing mitochondrial diseases. See how your MP voted below.
382 MPs voted in favour and just 128 against. Those voting against represented the views of the public, who are opposed. You can read the debate HERE.
This link explains the objections: http://citizengo.org/en/17728-please-keep-uk-allowing-germline-genetic-modification-human-embryos-and-creation-3-parent?sid=MTY0NDA0MzE5NDkxNTc1
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How your MP voted:
AYES
Abrahams, Debbie
Adams, Nigel
Afriyie, Adam
Ainsworth, rh Mr Bob
Alexander, rh Danny
Alexander, rh Mr Douglas
Alexander, Heidi
Allen, Mr Graham
Andrew, Stuart
Arbuthnot, rh Mr James
Ashworth, Jonathan
Austin, Ian
Bailey, Mr Adrian
Baker, rh Norman
Baldwin, Harriett
Balls, rh Ed
Barclay, Stephen
Baron, Mr John
Barron, rh Kevin
Barwell, Gavin
Bayley, Sir Hugh
Beckett, rh Margaret
Begg, Dame Anne
Beith, rh Sir Alan
Benn, rh Hilary
Benyon, Richard
Beresford, Sir Paul
Berger, Luciana
Betts, Mr Clive
Bingham, Andrew
Blackman-Woods, Roberta
Blackwood, Nicola
Blenkinsop, Tom
Blomfield, Paul
Blunt, Crispin
Boles, Nick
Bottomley, Sir Peter
Bradley, Karen
Bradshaw, rh Mr Ben
Brady, Mr Graham
Brake, rh Tom
Brennan, Kevin
Bridgen, Andrew
Brine, Steve
Brooke, rh Annette
Brown, Lyn
Brown, rh Mr Nicholas
Brown, Mr Russell
Browne, Mr Jeremy
Bruce, rh Sir Malcolm
Bryant, Chris
Buck, Ms Karen
Buckland, Mr Robert
Burden, Richard
Burley, Mr Aidan
Burnham, rh Andy
Burstow, rh Paul
Burt, rh Alistair
Burt, Lorely
Byles, Dan
Byrne, rh Mr Liam
Cable, rh Vince
Cairns, Alun
Cameron, rh Mr David
Campbell, rh Mr Alan
Campbell, rh Sir Menzies
Campbell, Mr Ronnie
Carmichael, rh Mr Alistair
Carmichael, Neil
Carswell, Douglas
Caton, Martin
Chapman, Jenny
Clappison, Mr James
Clark, rh Greg
Clark, Katy
Clarke, rh Mr Kenneth
Clegg, rh Mr Nick
Clifton-Brown, Geoffrey
Clwyd, rh Ann
Coffey, Ann
Collins, Damian
Connarty, Michael
Cooper, rh Yvette
Corbyn, Jeremy
Crabb, rh Stephen
Creasy, Stella
Crockart, Mike
Crouch, Tracey
Cunningham, Alex
Cunningham, Mr Jim
Danczuk, Simon
Darling, rh Mr Alistair
Davey, rh Mr Edward
David, Wayne
Davidson, Mr Ian
Davies, David T. C. (Monmouth)
Davies, Geraint
De Piero, Gloria
Denham, rh Mr John
Dinenage, Caroline
Djanogly, Mr Jonathan
Dobson, rh Frank
Doran, Mr Frank
Dorries, Nadine
Doughty, Stephen
Duncan, rh Sir Alan
Dunne, Mr Philip
Eagle, Ms Angela
Efford, Clive
Ellis, Michael
Ellison, Jane
Ellman, Mrs Louise
Ellwood, Mr Tobias
Engel, Natascha
Evans, Chris
Evans, Graham
Fabricant, Michael
Fallon, rh Michael
Farrelly, Paul
Farron, Tim
Fitzpatrick, Jim
Flynn, Paul
Foster, rh Mr Don
Freeman, George
Freer, Mike
Gapes, Mike
Gardiner, Barry
Garnier, Sir Edward
Garnier, Mark
Gauke, Mr David
George, Andrew
Gibb, Mr Nick
Gilbert, Stephen
Gilmore, Sheila
Goodwill, Mr Robert
Gove, rh Michael
Graham, Richard
Grant, Mrs Helen
Green, rh Damian
Green, Kate
Greening, rh Justine
Greenwood, Lilian
Grieve, rh Mr Dominic
Griffith, Nia
Griffiths, Andrew
Gyimah, Mr Sam
Hague, rh Mr William
Hain, rh Mr Peter
Halfon, Robert
Hames, Duncan
Hamilton, Mr David
Hamilton, Fabian
Hammond, Stephen
Hancock, Mr Mike
Hands, rh Greg
Harman, rh Ms Harriet
Harper, Mr Mark
Harris, Rebecca
Harris, Mr Tom
Hart, Simon
Harvey, Sir Nick
Haselhurst, rh Sir Alan
Havard, Mr Dai
Healey, rh John
Heath, Mr David
Heaton-Harris, Chris
Henderson, Gordon
Hendry, Charles
Herbert, rh Nick
Heyes, David
Hilling, Julie
Hodge, rh Margaret
Hodgson, Mrs Sharon
Hollingbery, George
Hood, Mr Jim
Horwood, Martin
Hosie, Stewart
Howarth, rh Mr George
Howell, John
Hughes, rh Simon
Hunt, rh Mr Jeremy
Hunt, Tristram
Hunter, Mark
Huppert, Dr Julian
Hurd, Mr Nick
Irranca-Davies, Huw
Jackson, Glenda
James, Margot
Jamieson, Cathy
Javid, rh Sajid
Jenkin, Mr Bernard
Jenrick, Robert
Johnson, rh Alan
Johnson, Diana
Johnson, Gareth
Johnson, Joseph
Jones, Andrew
Jones, Graham
Jones, Mr Kevan
Jowell, rh Dame Tessa
Kendall, Liz
Kirby, Simon
Knight, rh Sir Greg
Kwarteng, Kwasi
Lamb, rh Norman
Lancaster, Mark
Lansley, rh Mr Andrew
Latham, Pauline
Lavery, Ian
Lee, Jessica
Lee, Dr Phillip
Leech, Mr John
Leslie, Charlotte
Leslie, Chris
Letwin, rh Mr Oliver
Lewell-Buck, Mrs Emma
Lewis, Brandon
Lewis, Dr Julian
Lilley, rh Mr Peter
Lloyd, Stephen
Llwyd, rh Mr Elfyn
Long, Naomi
Loughton, Tim
Love, Mr Andrew
Lucas, Caroline
Lucas, Ian
Luff, Sir Peter
Lumley, Karen
Mactaggart, Fiona
Mahmood, Mr Khalid
Malhotra, Seema
Mann, John
McCabe, Steve
McCarthy, Kerry
McCartney, Jason
McDonagh, Siobhain
McDonnell, John
McFadden, rh Mr Pat
McInnes, Liz
McKechin, Ann
McKenzie, Mr Iain
Mearns, Ian
Metcalfe, Stephen
Miliband, rh Edward
Miller, Andrew
Miller, rh Maria
Mills, Nigel
Milton, Anne
Mitchell, Austin
Moon, Mrs Madeleine
Moore, rh Michael
Mordaunt, Penny
Morgan, rh Nicky
Morrice, Graeme (Livingston)
Morris, Anne Marie
Morris, Grahame M. (Easington)
Morris, James
Mosley, Stephen
Mowat, David
Munn, Meg
Munt, Tessa
Murray, Ian
Murray, Sheryll
Nandy, Lisa
Newmark, Mr Brooks
Newton, Sarah
Nokes, Caroline
Norman, Jesse
O’Donnell, Fiona
Offord, Dr Matthew
Onwurah, Chi
Opperman, Guy
Osborne, rh Mr George
Osborne, Sandra
Ottaway, rh Sir Richard
Paice, rh Sir James
Parish, Neil
Paterson, rh Mr Owen
Penrose, John
Perkins, Toby
Perry, Claire
Phillips, Stephen
Phillipson, Bridget
Pickles, rh Mr Eric
Poulter, Dr Daniel
Powell, Lucy
Prisk, Mr Mark
Raab, Mr Dominic
Raynsford, rh Mr Nick
Redwood, rh Mr John
Reeves, Rachel
Reid, Mr Alan
Reynolds, Jonathan
Rifkind, rh Sir Malcolm
Riordan, Mrs Linda
Robathan, rh Mr Andrew
Robertson, Angus
Robertson, rh Sir Hugh
Robertson, John
Rotheram, Steve
Rudd, Amber
Russell, Sir Bob
Sanders, Mr Adrian
Sandys, Laura
Sawford, Andy
Seabeck, Alison
Shapps, rh Grant
Sheerman, Mr Barry
Shelbrooke, Alec
Simpson, Mr Keith
Skidmore, Chris
Skinner, Mr Dennis
Slaughter, Mr Andy
Smith, Angela
Smith, Chloe
Smith, Henry
Smith, Julian
Smith, Nick
Smith, Sir Robert
Soames, rh Sir Nicholas
Soubry, Anna
Spellar, rh Mr John
Spelman, rh Mrs Caroline
Spencer, Mr Mark
Stanley, rh Sir John
Stephenson, Andrew
Stewart, Bob
Stewart, Rory
Straw, rh Mr Jack
Stride, Mel
Stringer, Graham
Stuart, Ms Gisela
Stunell, rh Sir Andrew
Sturdy, Julian
Sutcliffe, Mr Gerry
Swales, Ian
Swinson, Jo
Swire, rh Mr Hugo
Tami, Mark
Thomas, Mr Gareth
Thornberry, Emily
Thornton, Mike
Thurso, rh John
Tomlinson, Justin
Tredinnick, David
Trickett, Jon
Truss, rh Elizabeth
Turner, Karl
Twigg, Derek
Twigg, Stephen
Tyrie, Mr Andrew
Umunna, Mr Chuka
Vaizey, Mr Edward
Villiers, rh Mrs Theresa
Walker, Mr Charles
Walker, Mr Robin
Ward, Mr David
Watkinson, Dame Angela
Watson, Mr Tom
Weatherley, Mike
Webb, rh Steve
Wheeler, Heather
White, Chris
Whiteford, Dr Eilidh
Whitehead, Dr Alan
Whittingdale, Mr John
Wiggin, Bill
Willetts, rh Mr David
Williams, Hywel
Williams, Roger
Williams, Stephen
Williamson, Gavin
Willott, rh Jenny
Wilson, Phil
Winnick, Mr David
Winterton, rh Ms Rosie
Wishart, Pete
Wollaston, Dr Sarah
Woodcock, John
Wright, Mr Iain
Wright, Simon
Yeo, Mr Tim
Young, rh Sir George
Zahawi, Nadhim
NOES
Aldous, Peter
Amess, Sir David
Anderson, Mr David
Baker, Steve
Banks, Gordon
Bebb, Guto
Bellingham, Mr Henry
Berry, Jake
Binley, Mr Brian
Blackman, Bob
Bone, Mr Peter
Brazier, Mr Julian
Bruce, Fiona
Burns, Conor
Burns, rh Mr Simon
Burrowes, Mr David
Campbell, Mr Gregory
Cash, Sir William
Chishti, Rehman
Chope, Mr Christopher
Clarke, rh Mr Tom
Coffey, Dr Thérèse
Colvile, Oliver
Crausby, Mr David
Cunningham, Sir Tony
Davies, Glyn
Davies, Philip
de Bois, Nick
Donaldson, rh Mr Jeffrey M.
Donohoe, Mr Brian H.
Doyle, Gemma
Doyle-Price, Jackie
Drax, Richard
Durkan, Mark
Elphicke, Charlie
Evans, Mr Nigel
Evennett, Mr David
Field, Mark
Flello, Robert
Francois, rh Mr Mark
Fuller, Richard
Gale, Sir Roger
Gillan, rh Mrs Cheryl
Glass, Pat
Glen, John
Goldsmith, Zac
Gray, Mr James
Grayling, rh Chris
Greatrex, Tom
Hanson, rh Mr David
Hayes, rh Mr John
Heald, Sir Oliver
Hemming, John
Hermon, Lady
Hillier, Meg
Hinds, Damian
Hoban, Mr Mark
Hoey, Kate
Hollobone, Mr Philip
Holloway, Mr Adam
Howarth, Sir Gerald
Jackson, Mr Stewart
Jones, rh Mr David
Jones, Mr Marcus
Jones, Susan Elan
Kane, Mike
Kaufman, rh Sir Gerald
Kawczynski, Daniel
Leadsom, Andrea
Lefroy, Jeremy
Leigh, Sir Edward
Lopresti, Jack
MacNeil, Mr Angus Brendan
Mahmood, Shabana
Main, Mrs Anne
Marsden, Mr Gordon
McCann, Mr Michael
McCartney, Karl
McCrea, Dr William
McGovern, Jim
McGuire, rh Dame Anne
McIntosh, Miss Anne
McPartland, Stephen
Meale, Sir Alan
Menzies, Mark
Mudie, Mr George
Mulholland, Greg
Murphy, rh Paul
Neill, Robert
Nuttall, Mr David
Ollerenshaw, Eric
Owen, Albert
Pawsey, Mark
Penning, rh Mike
Percy, Andrew
Pincher, Christopher
Pound, Stephen
Randall, rh Sir John
Reckless, Mark
Rees-Mogg, Jacob
Ritchie, Ms Margaret
Robertson, Mr Laurence
Rogerson, Dan
Roy, Mr Frank
Ruffley, Mr David
Rutley, David
Scott, Mr Lee
Selous, Andrew
Shannon, Jim
Shepherd, Sir Richard
Sheridan, Jim
Shuker, Gavin
Stevenson, John
Stewart, Iain
Streeter, Mr Gary
Stuart, Mr Graham
Swayne, rh Mr Desmond
Syms, Mr Robert
Tapsell, rh Sir Peter
Teather, Sarah
Timms, rh Stephen
Turner, Mr Andrew
Vaz, rh Keith
Wallace, Mr Ben
Weir, Mr Mike
Wharton, James
Whittaker, Craig
Williams, Mr Mark
Wilson, Sammy
Wright, rh Jeremy








There has been a lot of misunderstanding about this. The BBC Radio 4 news said that there was a fear that the practice might lead to children with genetic modifications, but of course it WILL lead to children with genetic modifications, that is the whole idea ! I would rather be a GMO that dead, myself.
There are such children already in the USA, now teenagers, although the practice has since been made illegal there. One of them was interviewed, and said that she did not consider herself as having three parents. She said that she has a Mum and a Dad, and also a little bit of DNA from somebody else. She might, of course, like many others, have had a blood transfusion from somebody else, or even a kidney or heart transplant packed with DNA.
She referred to her “birth parents”, as if emphasising that she did have her real Mum and Dad, and she might otherwise have been adopted with completely different DNA from theirs .
How did Michael Ellis MP vote for the 3-parent babies?
I am disappointed at the result.
There has been little or no reporting on the fact that babies are created (called ’embryos’ to dehumanise them) and those young lives are destroyed after the gene procedure has been completed. Destroying human life like this does not sit well with my spirit and surely grieves the Holy Spirit.
Michael Ellis voted in favour of 3 parent babies.
It appears democracy died in thos parliament. What is declared as a free vote is clearly not when party leaders vote one way alongside their cabinet members. Also it is clear to me that three things in politics in politics is clearly evident.
(1) Democracy is dead politicians vote for promotion rather than electorate.
(2) Politicians in Westminister are clearly liars, telling the electorate they will listen to their views and vote as their constituents informs them, when clearly intent on voting what they want and not the constituents wishes eg.”Whats New”
(3) As stated politicians are liars and self centred caring only about monies and their advancement over Christian values/ morals contsined within Bible and held by the vast majority of the electorate. Or possibly they claim to hold Christisn Values as Mr Cameron states, when in fact its nice for speeches,but clearly you know nothing about the Bible or regularly attenf Church to be instructed on the Bible, which is clearly the case when we see how Mr Cameron behaved recently at a party glorifying Ibisa and mot Almighty God. I think its time to end the Hypocrisy and remove the 66 biblical books from parliament and admit this country needs biblical leaders not the mess we have there at present in Westminster, even worse these leaders choose our Church Leaders.
Yours in Christ Rev’s paul & Caroline Burns.
I don’t think we ever had a referendum to insist that the prime minister and other MPs or ministers should always “hold Christian values”, and indeed (if you stop to think about it a moment) some of them are Muslims, Jews, Hindus, or atheists, and make no secret of it. Yet they were democratically elected. The people of Finsbury elected a Zoroastrian MP in 1892 (Dadabhai Naoroji ) !
If the next election is won by Labour (presumably they would be in a coalition), you will have to accept that the prime minister will be a self-confessed atheist from a Jewish family. Not surprisingly, Benjamin Disraeli (born 1804) was from a Jewish family too, and he had been a practising Jew himself until the age of 12 (whereas Miliband’s father was a famous Marxist). The results of elections are democracy. It is understandable if you are uncomfortable with this as a Christian (though most Christians seem to accept it), but if you are so keen on democracy, this is it.
As for your first paragraph, it isn’t really surprising if everybody in a like-minded cabinet agrees on something, even if there is a free vote. Would you want a rule that one of them had to vote differently, to “prove” to doubters that it is a free vote ? I don’t call that democracy .
You point (2) is confused. You are assuming that all those who voted for the MP are against the bill, or a majority are. You have no way of knowing that, and nor has he, but my guess would be that you are wrong. We do not have a referendum on every issue, and our democracy depends on voting for wise people to make the decisions for us, not on voting about every decision ourselves . Frankly, most people could not be relied on to make wise decisions about taxation or going to war, even. The vast majority of them know very little about genetics and are not going to study or understand the evidence presented. That is the MP’s job.
In your point (3), you forget that the Queen (theoretically), advised by the Prime Minister (theoretically), only chooses leaders of one of the many churches available, the Church of England, and only from a small selection put forward by the Church according to a strong hint as to which is preferred. Finally, it would be impossible for Cameron, or any other MP, to go to Eton and know nothing about the Bible !!!
Meg Hillier voted NO
Thing that quickly springs to mind is: Exodus 15v26
How do we get the results? I have clicked on Andrew Lansley’s name but nothing happens!.
Those are the results. If you want the debate itself, the link is in the text above.
Thing that springs immediately to mind is the Exodus text in the Torah Chapter 15 v 26!
It’s strange though, isn’t it, that some Jewish communities are particularly prone to genetic diseases, because of the inbreeding which their rules encourage ?
In fact, thinking of disease in general (and the passage doesn’t refer to genetic diseases particularly), it’s difficult to think of any community anywhere which has been free of it. Jesus Christ thought it was appropriate to try to alleviate it, and so have most Christian missionaries, many of the doubling as “paramedics” if not doctors.
May we know who the twenty seven MPs re who voted against the proposal so that we we can, by elimination, know how our local MP voted? Martin Horwood is our local MP so I am curious to know how he voted.
Sorry I meant one hundred and twenty seven, but on checking I see it was in fact one hundred and twenty eight. I have further learnt that Martin Horwood voted for 3 parent babies. so he won’t be getting any votes from me.
another anti christian move by liberal politicians.
The moral high ground is lost with all parties.
Twisted deviant values
What makes you so sure that this kind of medicine is quite definitely “anti-Christian” ? When he promoted healing, which is mostly what he did and told his followers to do, I don’t believe Jesus Christ insisted that the only technique to be used to eliminate disease was casting out devils, even if repair of a family’s DNA became possible in the future. Can’t we look at DNA donation in the light of blood donation, which very few Christians oppose ? Jesus never did that either.
To Rox: You must read the Bible more carefully. Jesus healed many by divine power of physical as well as other diseases. He also raised people from the dead. The Bible is quite clear about the divinity of jesus Christ and he himself assures us that he does only what his father (GOD) bids him to do. His power was divine but he never stopped anyone from using other help; though obviously often not successful.
The Bible also says that GOD created every species to remain within its species boundaries. To mix up human DNA is ONLY THE THIN WEDGE OF THE EMERGING PROBLEM.
On the ‘drawing board’ are already plans to produce human/animal chimera. Try and stay abreast of what is really goingon in this God-slandering world.
As for using animal material in medicine, it’s ALREADY commonplace. Faulty heart valves are replaced with the very similar ones taken from pigs (and they contain pig DNA, naturally).
Playing with Gods Creation – https://www.christianvoice.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Britain_in_Sin.pdf
0000% sure its, you keep believing in your material world and you along with most of UK will always be unhappy. Britain is in sin and has lost all Christian ethics….promoting and putting single parents with illegitimate children before that of husbands and wives for houses and aborting millions of child birth because of loose values and and and
It is certainly a minority, or even heretical, view not to believe in the material world. Does M Davis suggest that it is imaginary, and that in fact we are all non-material spirits, or used to be ? The Cathars taught that to regain lost angelic status, we had to renounce the material self completely, because the material universe was created by Satan, not by God. I don’t suppose he would go that far.
What is 0000% sure ?
But the question was “WHAT makes you so sure that this kind of medicine is quite definitely “anti-Christian” ? ”
Nothing to do with illegitimate children and abortion at all.
I don’t see my MP George Eustace on either list, does that mean he abstained?
Yes. Or was absent.
I was in a quandary over this issue, as I could see how it could help eliminate hereditary disease, BUT I can also imagine what it could become in the future if proper safeguards are not put in place.
There is a section of humanity who would like to remove choice from reproduction, create only test tube babies, and allow only those who are approved to breed, much like Hitler’s original plan of a master race.
So overall I am concerned that his has been given the go ahead.
How did John Pugh Merseyside vote
If he is not there in eaither list he abstained or was absent.
It is alarming how little knowledge people have of mitrochondrial transference. It is an elaborate and very much fraught with endless pitfalls procedure which incidentally has been deamed unsave by the EU. How is it possible that people with degrees in biochemistry and other biological sciences can even remotly thinking of tinkering with such a delicate matter, other than arrogance and pride ~AND we want to go our own way – is the driving force…. Jesus said: “As in the days of Noah so shall it be at the coming of the son of man”!
We should know that the flood was sent to wipe out all the ‘Fallen Angel DNA manipulated genes. The Bible is clear that man started mixing human and animal DNA. – Whilst mitrochondrial exchanges are at the moment panned only from human donors I would like to know how long it will take for animal genetic material being introduced…. We can delay this by opposing such practices as long as possible, but sad to say :
It is amazing how ignorant some people are about such a delicate process as mitrochondrial exchanges. Biochemists should understand this and do everything in their power to prevent this from happening. How long will it take for the unscrupelous to begin to insert animal DNA? Jeus said:”As in the days of Noah so shall it be at the time of the coming of the son of man!”… We know that the nephilim were the hybreds of fallen Angels and human women. So we are going inexorably towards a very similar gene manipulation. We must do everything possible to slow this process down.
Have you considered whether angels have genes and DNA at all, and have you considered whether the “sons of God” or the giants” or the “nephilim” in Genesis 6 might actually have been Neanderthals, recently proved to have interbred with Homo sapiens in Galilee ?
In Job, the ‘Sons of God’ are angels, so it is appropriate to assume the same in Genesis 6. If they had and have DNA and genes, their offspring were wiped out in the flood. Not that such a disaster would stop humans from trying to repeat the experiment. If so-called Neanderthals existed and interbred with so-called Homo Sapiens, then to produce fertile offspring they would have to be the same species. But we are going down a real backwater with this one, so that’s enough, thanks.
Neanderthals did exist, their remains are relatively common and distinctive. Closely related species can interbreed and produce fertile offspring, for example various species of duck do this a lot if they are living in the same territory. It has recently been shown that Homo sapiens and Homo neanderthalensis did it when they found themselves living in the same territory, Galilee. We are all the result of this (except black Africans).
Actually, it doesn’t really make any difference if you choose to call neanderthals a different “species” or not. As can be seen from their remains, they were distinctive, and to my mind more likely to be the uncivilised giants than the sons of God. The giants are also mentioned in Numbers 13.33, Deuteronomy 2.20 etc .
So there is no particular Biblical reason to dismiss the neanderthals as some kind of myth, quite the reverse. The Bible has quite a good account of them.
That’s enough now.
Fair enough. Thanks for giving my little idea an airing. You saw it here first.
So sorry to see that once again, my MP failed to get it right. This time rather than abstaining on such an important matter he actually supported and voted Aye for three parent babies. May God have mercy on his soul. I shall never vote for him again.
Dear Rev Samuel Paul Burns,
this is precisely why I am standing for Parliament. Even if not elected now or in 2020, as Christians we are called to make a stand, even if unsuccessful, knowing that all situations are in the hands of a sovereign God. We are called to witness in these last, dark days.
Ashley Dickenson
What party is this ? A party which is going to have a referendum on every issue, or a party which is pledged to consult the Bible (as far as possible in the modern world) on every issue, or a party which never lies and keeps all its promises, a party where nobody is interested in promotion, a party whose leaders (or in fact candidates) are all “biblical”, a party which will always vote as their constituents “informs them” (i.e. instruct them ?) , a party which, when in power, will refuse to have anything to do with selecting the Anglican bishops ?
What is the name of this party ? How many candidates is it going to have in this year’s election ?
Will they tell the electorate that they are in their final dark days ? It’s not a votecatcher. People want their lives brightened up .
Thank you Sir Bill Cash for voting “no”. This was the correct vote as far as i am concerned. Too many unanswered questions in this Bill. Thank you again.
Not surprised my MP voted for as i have perceived how he seeks majority approval .
I’ve noted how his responses to me always seems to be just platitudes when he can be bothered ..
I don’t vote as i can see with this development that it is meaningless .
As GOD’s word rightly states ” cursed is the man that trusts in his own flesh ”
Sadly because many in power are luciferians they are going to follow his lie ” You shall be as gods ”
Endure until the end and remember brothers and sisters we serve an11th hour GOD of hope .
He will return before ALL flesh is corrupted .
Woe unto those who support and engineer this deception for when GOD unleashes HIS plagues they will seek death as a release but will be unable to having acheived their ungodly desire to be immortal .
As it is written ” Can the pot argue with the potter ” ?
“Rev paul samuel burns” says that an MP SHOULD vote according to majority approval. Both of you use your own very different argument to insist that he should vote against this bill, Rev Burns because he thinks the majority are for it, and you because you think the majority are against it !
However, neither the MPs nor you two know what the majority would decide (even if they were well informed on it, which they aren’t). We elect MPs to make what they consider to be the best decisions,
All MP’s will fail to get anything right
Turkey is a great place, they have banned all pornogrpahic material form the internet while wonderful Christian Britain is sunk by Porn and filthy behaviour, and twisted ideals including supporting homosexuals, Transvestites, lesbians…and teaching that gay life is ok and normal in schools, Britain is lost
3 parents babies now being accepted along with – The Sexual Offences Act 1967 legalised private homosexual acts between men over 21. It provided an age limit for activity which according to Almighty God is an abomination. Homosexual activity is different in kind from heterosexual adultery. It introduces the additional element of perverting God’s created order.
These “three parent babies” really do NOT involve any kind of homosexual activity or adultery. I don’t suppose it is a lot of fun for anybody.
Dear Rox
in answer to your questions.
(1) i am a messianic believer having jewish roots in my family and true biblival teaching from a jewish perspective teaches ” you are either a worshiper of Yahweh Adoni or not that is clear from the teachings of the Torah and prophets” To Adoni there is no such thing as a Jewish Athiest.
(Politicians are elected not to reflect their wishes , but the electorates, otherwise they shouldn’t be there.
(3)David Cameron and all the political parties have referred to GB as a Christian nation with Christian believes. It is accepted that other cultures exist within UK and that is reflected by politicians electrd to represent them, but still dosn’t change that the UK claims to be a Christian Parliament, thereforr we should be guided by overell Christian teaching.
In this process a healthy egg is destroyed to create life I’ll let you work that one out.
(4) The Church of England is considered the main Chistuan Church and the Primeminister can refuse the appointment of a Bishop if he considers him or her to be not approbiate
Yet not approbiate to man can be God’s desired choice to quote Adoni/God himself to the Prophet Samuel “Man looks on the outward appearence but I look on the inside”.
Therefore again I say Parliament is corrupt filled with people passing laws refusing directly to consult with their constituents, consult or listen to the moral arguments put up against issues like this from the Church or to even allow proper free votes.By the way a free vote is a vote of conscious, not a pre arranged vote as determained by party leaders and whips to make the political parties look good in responding to one public need that although justifying help cannot justify morally the decision taken to take a life to create a life. “Have we become God?” Possibly as we did proclaim ourselves rulets of our own destinies in Garden of Eden eg. Sin which is why we have sickness death and a limited lifespan.
I hope you don’t feel offended by my replies to you on thos matter. Love & God Bless Revs paul & Caroline Burns.
I hope I will be allowed to answer the points which Rev Burns (with his wife ?) has addressed to me .
(1) Ed Miliband, Disraeli, Karl Marx and very many others would be astonished to be told that they were not from Jewish families after all. The fact is that not everybody agrees with the teachings which Rev Burns holds to be “true”.
(Politicians are chosen by the electorate as being the best people for the job. They are under no obligation to make a particular decision, or even to stay in the same party as the one whose banner they were elected under, Churchill being the best known example of someone who didn’t).
(3) Britain is a Christian country in history and tradition, but like several other European countries, the majority of its population are not regular churchgoers now (to say the least). There is no special quota of MPs to represent Hindus, Jews, atheists or Muslims. An entire geographical constituency elects whomsoever the people choose, to represent its entire population. He is then unlikely in practice to reflect their particular local views unless there are huge demonstrations on a major issue like the closure of a hospital, or of a shipyard, and even then his one vote may not be very effective.
Actually, the HEALTHY egg is not destroyed ! It is the UNHEALTHY egg which is destroyed (see my reply to Busy Mum). But let’s be realistic — most eggs are never fertilised anyway, so they perish.
(4) I think you will find that nowadays the Prime Minister could refuse the preferred Anglican choice of bishops only in the same theoretical way that the Queen could refuse to sign an Act of Parliament. He probably is not very interested anyway, and may not even be an Anglican (Harold Wilson was a Methodist, for example).
But if even the the main Chistuan Church can’t be trusted to choose approbiate bishops itself, only Adoni/God, perhaps Adoni/God can be trusted to act through the Prime Minister as well as any other way. How else would you arrange it ?
It is NOT corrupt for Parliament to pass laws without directly consulting constituents on each one. This would be impracticable, and hardly any assemblies in the world attempt it (one exception being the smallest cantons in Switzerland). It has never been part of our tradition to do this.
MPs can certainly listen the various churches, but it would be wrong of them to be ruled by the churches (whose opinions are bound to vary wildly anyway). The Bishop of Swindon, a member of the Human Embryology and Fertilisation Authority, wrote “Of course there will always be differences of opinion within the Church of England but these are not about preventing people from benefiting from a major advance in genetics and assisted reproduction.”
I am not offended in the least, I just find it very difficult to agree with you !!!
I think the real reason they approved three-parent babies is for the gay lobby so that homosexuals can say they have ‘their own biological children’. Talk of removing disease is just a smokescreen to get this through parliament without a huge fuss being made by the electorate.
Don’t worry, homosexual men don’t come into this at all, and a homosexual woman could have a baby (actually resembling her !) much more easily without it. The nuclear DNA is removed from the donor woman’s egg, so the baby will not resemble her. Only her normal mitochondrial DNA is left in the egg. The mother has defective mitochondrial DNA in her eggs, so her nuclear DNA goes into the donor’s healthy egg. This egg is then fertilised by the mother’s husband. So the process is like IVF , except that the donated egg has the apparent mother’s own nuclear DNA , and the child will therefore resemble both its apparent parents (but not the donating woman). In almost any sense the apparent parents will in fact be the actual parents. This avoids a large number of horrible diseases in the children of susceptible women, and I don’t believe that Busy Mum’s interpretation of the Bible should be a reason to stop them from trying this solution. Nor does Parliament.
Time will tell with regard to the homosexual issue, I think.
Thankyou for explaining the procedure a bit more. It is still a procedure I find contrary to God’s will. Medical ethics are a grey area for many of us but I think any clear-headed person of any religious persuasion should be questioning a society that spends vast amounts of time and resources on trying to defeat the forces of nature with regards to reproduction.
Society bleats and bleats about over-population, limited resources, responsible reproduction etc etc yet is in open revolt against God’s means to deal with this. Young and/or fertile women prevent their bodies reproducing whether by contraception or abortion whilst older and/or infertile women force their bodies to reproduce by IVF etc etc. And this from a society that rejoices in natural selection!
Ill/very premature babies who would have died in years gone by are now kept artificially alive – a very very grey area, I grant – but society seems determined to try and outwit God at every turn and have a totally trouble-free life. I am not throwing stones, but don’t you worry what great trouble God may have in store for us as our society continually refuses to be chastened?
Women should not assume they have the right to any child, yet alone the right to a healthy child – it is this attitude that is wrong.
Could you try and stop ‘chattering’ about cellular biology of which you have absolutely no knowledge. You would do us all a favour by being quiet.
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