{"id":8743,"date":"2015-11-28T07:42:59","date_gmt":"2015-11-28T07:42:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.christianvoice.org.uk\/?p=8743"},"modified":"2025-07-10T08:03:49","modified_gmt":"2025-07-10T07:03:49","slug":"70000-the-new-45-minutes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.christianvoice.org.uk\/index.php\/70000-the-new-45-minutes\/","title":{"rendered":"70,000: the new 45 minutes"},"content":{"rendered":"
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David Cameron counting moderate Syrian rebels.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n

David Cameron’s assertion in the House of Commons on Thursday 26th November 2015<\/a><\/strong> that there are ‘seventy thousand’ moderate Syrian opposition forces ready to back up UK air strikes is unravelling fast.<\/p>\n

Dr Julian Lewis MP, chairman of the Defence Committee, said in the debate, ‘I have to say that the suggestion that there are 70,000 non-Islamist, moderate, credible ground forces is a revelation to me and, I suspect, to most other Members in this House.’<\/p>\n

The Independent reported<\/a><\/strong> that Mr Lewis would be\u00a0tabling a question in the House of Commons demanding Mr Cameron clarify the claim. \u00a0The Prime Minister\u2019s spokesman said the 70,000 figure was based on the \u201cbest intelligence and analysis we have\u201d, adding: “The figure was provided to him by the Joint Intelligence Committee; they provided that intelligence and analysis independent of the Government.”<\/p>\n

That will be the same\u00a0Joint Intelligence Committee which apparently assured Tony Blair, after some arm-twisting, that Saddam Hussein could fire a long range missile with a chemical warhead at the UK in the famous figure of ’45 minutes’. \u00a0It looks suspiciously as if ‘70,000’ will turn out to be Mr Cameron’s ’45 minutes’.<\/p>\n

The Independent says Mr Lewis asked\u00a0Sky News: ‘<\/em>Where are these magical 70,000 people and if they are there fighting, how come they haven’t been able to roll back Isil\/Daesh? Is it that they’re in the wrong place? Is it that they’re fighting each other? Or is it that in reality they’re not all that moderate and that there are a lot of jihadists among them?’ \u00a0He urged the Prime Minister to start working with President Assad to defeat Islamic State.\u00a0“Sometimes the best you can do is choose the lesser of two evils,” he said.<\/p>\n

Writing in the Spectator<\/a><\/strong>,\u00a0Charles Lister, a Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Doha Center and a Senior Consultant to The Shaikh Group, wrote to verify the figure. \u00a0He came up with 65,000 fighters in ten separate groups with names like ‘Daybreak’ (Faylaq) and ‘Front’ (Jabhat) sporting memberships from 1,000 to 25,000. The biggest forces were the ‘Southern Front’ with 25,000 men in fifty-eight different factions and the ‘Northern Free Syrian Army’ with 20,000 in fourteen factions. \u00a0Having coordinated meetings with up to a hundred other separate rebel militias, he counted a further 10,000 men in these groups.<\/p>\n

Immediately, however, Mr Cameron’s claims start to unravel. \u00a0He said the 70,000 were ‘principally of the Free Syrian Army’ whereas only 45,000 of them are. \u00a0Then he said these are people ‘with whom we can co-ordinate attacks on ISIL’.<\/p>\n

The first obvious problem is, these fighters are all in the extreme south-west and north-west of Syria. \u00a0Now, according to a\u00a0helpful map at the bottom of this article in the Guardian<\/a><\/strong>, Islamic State has a pocket of ground in the south-east, and another in the north-west. \u00a0These are areas being patrolled by Russian aircraft from their base in Latakia, on Syria’s North-West coast.<\/p>\n

The second obvious problem is that the ‘Free Syrian Army’ are just as interested in fighting the Syrian Army as Islamic State. \u00a0Russian aircraft have been supporting Syrian army forces with air strikes against these very same forces. \u00a0As Mr Lister said: ‘They remain focused on fighting the Assad regime, however, as it represents a more immediate priority for most, in terms of self-protection, the defence of civilian populations and of course, pursuing the revolution\u2019s ultimate objective.’ \u00a0Without British commanders on the ground prodding these men towards the Islamic State pockets, there is absolutely no guarantee they will follow up a British air strike against Islamic State on their manor, even if our air chiefs could gain an agreement with their Russian counterparts to avoid bumping into each other over this stretch of land. \u00a0And British ‘boots on the ground’ have been rightly ruled out.<\/p>\n

Working with groups such as the ‘Free Syrian Army’ has been a nightmare for the US. \u00a0Equipment supplied to them by the US has ended up in the hands of the Al-Qaeda offshoot Jabhat Al-Nusra. \u00a0The FSA either gave or sold the armaments to them. \u00a0In addition, as Ewen MacAskill wrote in the Guardian article cited above<\/a><\/strong>, ‘the US spent $600m (about \u00a3400m) training rebels to go back over the border into Syria. In the end, only 58 went back. Asked in September at a Congressional committee how many of them were still fighting, General Lloyd Austin said: \u201cWe are talking four or five.\u201d’<\/p>\n

Islamic State also holds ground to the east of Damascus and in the north-east of the rest of Syria. \u00a0None of the ‘70,000’ are anywhere near these areas. \u00a0Around Raqqa, where French warplanes have been active, there is no moderate opposition at all.<\/p>\n

Mr MacAskill reported that retired British brigadier Ben Barry, who he described as ‘a specialist in land warfare at the International Institute for Strategic Studies’, estimated ‘a joint US-UK-French coalition would require 20,000 troops to retake Raqqa. He described the prospect as \u201cchallenging\u201d, given that IS had been preparing its defences for the last year.’ \u00a0In the absence of those troops, it can only fall to the Syrian army to retake Raqqa. \u00a0Mr Cameron would have to speak to Mr Assad.<\/p>\n

The 70,000 are nowhere near Raqqa which is also far from the extreme north of Syria where the Kurds are based<\/a><\/strong>. \u00a0And on that subject, the Kurdish forces are allied to the Kurdish Peoples’ Party, the PKK, which the UK has proscribed as a ‘terrorist organisation’ to appease Turkey. \u00a0The PKK pose no threat to Britain and it is high time that proscription was removed.<\/p>\n

This is a time when Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition should be actively opposing and challenging the government. \u00a0But according to Gary Gibbon in a revealing article\u00a0on the Channel 4 website<\/a><\/strong>, the Leader of\u00a0Her Majesty’s Opposition is not even opposing and challenging those in his own Shadow Cabinet who support Mr Cameron.<\/p>\n

Labour MP Paul Flynn said on the BBC yesterday that Prime Ministers can get carried away with their importance. \u00a0They can become possessed by a spirit of hubris while dreaming of their ‘place in history’. \u00a0It happened to Tony Blair. \u00a0Now it is happening to David Cameron. \u00a0If this nation is not to waste millions on pointless air strikes, we need the Opposition to oppose him.<\/p>\n

But more importantly than that, we need prayer. \u00a0There was a massive outpouring of prayer before the Commons vote not to bomb President Assad’s forces in August 2013. \u00a0The reasons for MPs to vote ‘No’ are different this time, but the need for prayer is still there.<\/p>\n

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