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Feb 01

Apology for Fallon ‘ship of ‘shame’ remarks

Admiral Kuznetsov (background) and Petr Velikiy shadowed by HMS St Albans (foreground) steaming through the English Channel on their way back to Russia.  Sir Michael Fallon described the aircraft carrier as a 'ship of shame', 'skulking' through the Channel.

Admiral Kuznetsov (background) and Petr Velikiy shadowed by HMS St Albans (foreground) steaming through the English Channel on their way back to Russia.  Sir Michael Fallon described the aircraft carrier as a ‘ship of shame’, ‘skulking’ through the Channel.

PRESS RELEASE: Christian Voice has written to the Russian Ambassador in London to apologise for the rudeness of Her Majesty’s Secretary of State for Defence Sir Michael Fallon.

Last week, the Independent reported Sir Michael saying the British navy was keeping a ‘close eye on the Admiral Kuznetsov as it skulks back to Russia.’  He described the vessel a ‘ship of shame whose mission has only extended the suffering of the Syrian people.’

In the letter, Stephen Green, National Director of Christian Voice, assured His Excellency Alexander Yakovenko ‘that there are those of us in the United Kingdom who recognise Admiral Kuznetsov helped liberate eastern Aleppo from jihadists.  We are thankful  that Russian planes supporting the Syrian army allowed Christians there to celebrate Christmas for the first time in five years. We are aware that peace talks have been taking place between the Syrian government and the armed opposition.  We can see that has only happened because of Russian involvement in a crisis initiated at least partly by the United Kingdom.’

Fallon ‘weak and petulant’

Rt Hon Sir Michael Fallon MP

Rt Hon Sir Michael Fallon MP has not adapted his view of the world since 1983, the height of the Cold War.

Stephen Green said today:

‘It should concern us all when a British Minister lowers the standing of the Crown.  Her Majesty is a Christian monarch, ruling a constitutionally Christian realm.

‘There was nothing of Christian grace or strength in what Fallon said.  We know the UK has no operational aircraft carrier and no longer, thank God, any further ability to wreak havoc in Syria.  That is all the more reason not to portray weakness and petulance.  Nor do we build peace in the world by ill-tempered insults.

‘That is why I felt I had to reassure the Russian Ambassador that the British people as a whole are not warmongers and do not share such views.

‘Sir Michael was first elected as an MP in 1983 at the height of the Cold War.  He clearly has not adapted his view of the world since then at all.

‘It may not happen immediately, but at her next reshuffle, Theresa May should sack this sabre-rattling relic and appoint a good-tempered, Christian man of peace.’

 

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  1. Rox

    Sometimes it must be appropriate for Her Majesty’s Secretary of State for Defence to rattle his sabre, even if he doesn’t actually slash with it.

    A good-tempered, Christian man of peace, like perhaps Justin Welby, probably wouldn’t be frightening enough.

    1. Stephen

      Rox, you too need to move on from 1983. The world has changed. Being ‘frightening’ is no longer in the job description of Her Majesty’s Secretaries of State.

      1. Rox

        Isn’t that all part of having a nuclear deterrent ?
        Jeremy Corbyn went out of his way not to be frightening, by saying he would not use it.
        Trump is very frightening, whether you take him seriously, or just look on him as unpredictable

        1. Stephen

          I sometimes feel on this site as the late Kenneth Horne was portrayed in ‘Round the Horne’, or as Gavin (and Stacey) in the eponymous show. One is trying to maintain a sense of decorum while chaos is erupting all around. Please calm down, all of you!

          1. Rox

            It’s a strange comparison. Horne didn’t seem to do anything, and yet his influence lingers on so much that I had no idea he died in 1969 !

  2. Roger Eldridge

    Well said Stephen. The evidence is now clear that British interests in Syria have supported those factions who sought to overthrow Assad and were responsible for the siege of Alleppo and the suffering by civilians there including Christians who were persecuted by the same factions the British government covertly armed and that it was the intervention by Russians that led to the liberation of Alleppo and the peace talks now ongoing.

    As is happening in the US the mainstream media are working with the establishment in both jurisdcitions to foment fear in the general population of an imminent attack from Russia so as to justify the West’s actual aggression towards Russia.

    This is because the feminist/secularist/Marxist hegemony who control the levers of power of the State in both countries believed they were set to destroy Chrianity and its teachings and Russia, having the fastest growing Christian community represents the emergence of a force for the Truth that the establishment thought it had already defeated.

    God bless your work. Roger Eldridge, Director, Institute of Family and Marriage

    1. Stephen

      Thank you. Some have speculated that the real anti-Russian sentiment in Western media and government got going when Russia passed its law forbidding homosexual propaganda. But that’s a subject for another day!

    2. Rox

      It’s quite novel to categorise the Conservative Party as “feminist/secularist/Marxist ” .

      How would Roger Eldridge describe the Labour Party under Jeremy Corbyn (or indeed, under Ed Miliband) ?

      1. Mark Jones

        http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=13588
        I don’t suppose you will bother to read it, Rox, but this article goes a long way in explaining Mr Eldridge’s comment that we are living in a feminist/secularist/Marxist society, whether the government is nominally Tory or Labour. What was once considered extreme (loony?) left has now become mainstream, or “centre”.

  3. owainty

    Good morning
    I am more than surprised at this article as I was under the impression you was a Born again Christian it would seems from this article you are not and you don’t know what a born again Christian is.
    – are you mad praising Russia for what its done in Syria only the Lord knows how many people Russia has been responsible for killing in Syria – I thought you knew your Bible about what Russia is about to do in the middle east again I was wrong in this assumption

    Worse than this you state our Queen is a Christian just where are you getting this from – not mentioning the many other things anti Christian she has done her worst was the signing into law the “SAME SEX MARRIAGE ACT” that is not the work of a born again Christian David Cameron did not force her to sign this charter
    It would seem you do not know the difference between a born again Christian (a real Christian) and a church goer
    I have always had great respect for you but its obvious my respect was greatly misplaced
    Regards
    Tom Owenson

    1. Stephen

      Dear Tom, we do try not to cast aspersions on the faith of professed believers on this website. We’ll criticise actions, but we shall not tell someone they are not a Christian. That is a presumption we are forbidden by the word of God. It is also less than charitable.
      Absolutely we are praising Russia for getting alongside President Assad in defending the Christian community and other minorities in Syria. The UK Government has done nothing for Christians anywhere in the world. In the Middle East ‘our’ actions in stirring up militant Islam by deposing stable if autocratic leaders have destroyed historic Christian communities. In Syria, the UK-sponsored jihadists would kill our brothers and sisters and have been doing so. An accurate word for our Government’s foreign policy in the Middle East could be ‘evil’, IMHO. Thank God for the Russians!
      It is astonishing to blame Russia for ‘killing’ in Syria while ignoring the jihadists completely. Also the identification of Russia with Ezekiel’s Gog and Magog, Meschech and Tubal (Ezek 28:1 and 39:1 et al) is convenient but speculative. Yes, Russia does lie to the North of Israel, but so do Finland, Sweden and the even more highly anti-Israel Norway. And you have to go through Lebanon, Syria and Turkey and the likes of Georgia and Ukraine before you reach them.
      It’s all too easy, too simplistic and too subjective. I am aware of course that such an interpretation predates the pogroms and the emergence of the Soviet Union, and that Russia is not exactly an ally of Israel. Nevertheless, its persistence today, while ignoring all the other candidates, does I venture owe a lot to anachronistic Cold War thinking.
      Of course the Queen is a Christian. Just listen to her Christmas broadcasts. And the United Kingdom is constitutionally Christian. But since 1689 our monarch has been obliged to act on the advice of his ministers. To refuse Royal Assent is do-able but would initiate a constitutional crisis.

      1. owainty

        Hi
        the only reply that can be made to your comments is the Holy Bible warns us against false doctrine – and we are allowed to question and advise to make them known least they corrupt the believer

        As you obviously don’t know would it not be wise for you to read and understand the Holy Bible this way you will learn “the difference between a born again Christian (a real Christian) and a so called Christian church goer ” or more simply put only a truly repenting born again Christian will enter heaven where as a non born again so called Christian will enter hell

        The Queen cannot have it both ways just because she is monarch in fact as monarch she made a promise to GOD to hold the faith (one can question which faith) she has a right to over overrule parliament when she knows something to be against GOD law and man’s law as Same Sex Marriage is against GODs law she should have been more worried about her own soul than causing a constitutional crisis and helping to corrupt society

        We will all find out who is right and wrong by those left on earth after the Rapture

        1. Rox

          That is NOT the only reply which can be made ! My reply was quite different.

          If we heed the warning about false doctrine, how do we know that owainty is not the one with the false doctrine ? Many people have read the Bible and come to different conclusions, including Stephen obviously .

          Owainty seems singularly ill-informed. It is not at all questionable which faith the Queen promised to uphold. She was asked (inter alia) “Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England ?”
          She replied “All this I promise to do”. And later she said “The things which I have here before promised, I will perform and keep. So help me God.”

          Supposing that I am left on earth after the Rapture. Presumably only a small percentage of the population would be missing. How would I know who had gone, considering how big the earth is ? How would I know if owainty had gone ? Would he own up if he hadn’t ?

    2. Rox

      Oh dear, I am being forced into agreeing with Stephen again !
      Of course the Queen is a Christian.
      But I don’t think she has ever claimed to be a “born-again” Christian. She would say that she has been a Christian continuously and sincerely from a very early age.

      ” I thought you knew your Bible about what Russia is about to do in the middle east ”
      Again, I agree with what Stephen is saying here, in effect. I can find no mention of Russia in the Bible. I can remember in the 1960s when enthusiasts were finding the USA and the USSR in the Bible, but it didn’t seem to get us anywhere. As Stephen says, Sweden lies to the north of Israel too.

      The Middle East is certainly in the Bible, but the narrative doesn’t go as far as the 21st century. Prophecies can be interpreted in many and varied ways.

      When owainty says that a born again Christian is the only true Christian, well, most Christians are the only true Christians. That’s the way it goes. In the past, owainty could have enjoyed Martyrdom as a heretic. He still could, if he ventured into ISIS lands.

      Where I do agree with owainty is in having a little scepticism about Stephen’s view of Russia as a totally reformed and christianised country. Was it really possible for so many people to go from communism to Christianity so quickly, and even if they did on paper, can we take it completely at face value ? I don’t think so.

      1. Stephen

        There is a lovely, unproven, story about the Soviet era. It goes like this:
        This story talks about Ivanovich Bukharin, a powerful Russian leader in the early part of the 20th century. In 1930, he is said to have traveled to Kiev in Ukraine to deliver an address to a large crowd on the subject of atheism. After an hour of delivering his best arguments against faith, he asked if there were any questions. One man came from the crowd to the front and loudly proclaimed the ancient Orthodox greeting “Christ is risen!” Then the crowd responded with the ancient Orthodox response “He is risen indeed!”
        Some of us will remember some linguist saying this in the Greek: ‘Khristós Anésti! Alithós Anésti!’ Anyone know how it goes in Russian?
        Anyway, the point is, they could suppress it all they wanted, but the Christian Faith lay just below the surface in the Soviet Union. And now, under Orthodox Christian Putin, it’s vividly resurgent again.

        1. Rox

          In Russian it is Христос воскрес ! Воистину воскрес !
          In Greek it is Χριστὸς ἀνέστη ! Ἀληθῶς ἀνέστη !

          What you have quoted is already Greek .
          The Russian is pronounced Khristos voskres. Voystinu voskres.

          In 1930, nobody there older than about 25 would have left school after the Revolution. They had been brought up as Christians.
          In 1992, you had to be about 80 to have been at school at all before the Revolution, nor was Christianity encouraged as an extra-curricular activity. Most of the population had been brought up as atheists.

          1. Stephen

            You are ignoring the influence of family! Dangerous beings, parents and grandparents. They are able to subvert the ideology of the State, if they have their minds switched on.

          2. Rox

            Well, that’s true, but it’s doubtful if very many of them would remain secretly Russian Orthodox over such a long period. They might very well go against the State politics generally, and indeed they did, but that isn’t the same thing as adopting Christianity instead. People in England and Germany who have abandoned Protestantism haven’t rushed to adopt Roman Catholicism instead.

          3. Stephen

            They did not ‘adopt’ Christianity, they maintained it in their homes and in their minds. It’s a complicated subject this, particularly in Russia.

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