Big Ben and the House of Commons
The House of Commons has voted to keep women in ignorance of the consequences of abortion.
An attempt by Nadine Dorries MP to take away from abortion providers their role in counselling women about to buy abortions was heavily defeated in the House of Commons today.
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In practice, the amount of counselling they actually do is minimal, as they have abortions to sell, but the Dorries amendment would have opened the way for pro-life charities to offer counselling.
Abortion providers feared that pregnant women would be less inclined to go ahead with the operations if they discovered they were actually carrying a child with a beating heart, and that they would consequently lose revenue. (A baby’s heart starts beating three weeks from conception.)
A split developed between the original supporters of the amendment after Frank Field MP was persuaded by the health minister, Anne Milton, that the government would try to implement ‘the spirit’ of the proposal, and withdrew his support.
Anne Milton told MPs: “The government is supportive of the spirit of these amendments and we intend to bring forward proposals for regulations accordingly, but after consultation. Primary legislation is not only unnecessary but would deprive parliament of the opportunity to consider the detail of how this service would develop and evolve.”
Mrs Dorries hailed Milton’s undertaking as a victory. She told the BBC’s Norman Smith: “We lost the battle but we have won the war.” But she criticised the involvement of arch-atheist and ex-MP Evan Harris, who lobbied Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg, who persuaded David Cameron to withdraw his initial support for the amendment and to announce that health ministers and their parliamentary aides would vote against it.
MPs consequently voted by 368 votes to 118 (a majority of 250) to reject the amendment, but Mrs Dorries managed to win the support of three cabinet ministers – Iain Duncan Smith, the work and pensions secretary, Liam Fox, the defence secretary, and Owen Paterson, the Northern Ireland secretary.
It will now be up to pro-life peers in the House of Lords to try to carry the amendment.
The defeat was welcomed by the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, Britains second-biggest abortionist after Marie Stopes. Ann Furedi, its chief executive, said: “Bpas is pleased to see Nadine Dorries’ amendment so overwhelmingly rejected. We look forward to being able to focus our efforts on the issues which pose a genuine problem for women considering ending a pregnancy.” And also continiuing to make money from ending innocent lives.
Strangely, Mrs Dorries insisted that she did not want to restrict access to abortion. “I do not want to return to the days of back street abortionists,” she said. “I am pro-choice. Abortion is here to stay.”
PRAY: That it isn’t. Pray that an MP someday soon will find the courage by the grace of God to bring before the House of Commons a Bill to repeal the Abortion Act 1967. That has never been done in the 44 years since the Act passed into law.
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WRITE (or EMAIL): To your MP. Simply ask your MP to ask the Health Minister how the Government intends to implement Nadine Dorries’ amendment. Also ask your MP to assure you that he/she voted for Nadine’s amendment.
READ: Exod 23:7 Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked.
Deut 19:10 That innocent blood be not shed in thy land, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance, and so blood be upon thee.
Deut 27:25 Cursed be he that taketh reward to slay an innocent person. And all the people shall say, Amen
Jdg 13:7 But he said unto me, Behold, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and now drink no wine nor strong drink, neither eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite to God from the womb to the day of his death.
Psalm 106:36 And they (the Israelites) served their idols: which were a snare unto them. 37 Yea, they sacrificed their sons and their daughters unto devils, 38 And shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan: and the land was polluted with blood.
Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: 42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
(Note that Elisabeth was six months pregnant at this time, and Mary had only just conceived.)
To anyone who has been involved with abortion, or had an abortion, and is now deeply sorry and in anguish, and wishes it had never happened, the Lord Jesus says: (Mark 3:28) Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men. Jesus went to the Cross so that the sins of every one who believes in him might be forgiven. His disciple John wrote:
1John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1John 2:12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his (Jesus’s) name’s sake.
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Richard Edwards
9 September 2011 at 11:59 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
Twenty years ago I was asked to visit a hospital where a a girl of 17 years old was refusing food. She was from the travelling community, non-churchgoers, but the parents, despairing for her life, asked me to pray for her. I visited her, and found her very ill, and hardly able to speak, but she recognized me. She agreed for me to pray, and as I did so, she strengthened enough to begin crying. Her distress was terrible, and prayerfully I asked God to allow her to reveal the problem. She suddenly blurted out, “They killed my baby”. The aged matriarch of the family, later learning of the pregnancy had insisted she attend an abortion clinic, but did not tell the girl what was to happen. So at 39 weeks gestation, she attended hospital for ‘tests’. The baby was induced, and after short but violent labour, the baby’s head was born. Immediately the attending doctor injected a syringe into the top of the baby’s head, which convulsed, and died. This was witnessed by the girl. Convinced that an illegal termination had occurred, I made enquiries how it could have legally occurred. The girl had been declared educationally subnormal as she was virtually illiterate, and the pregnancy was deemed medically harmful, so the living baby could be aborted quite legally but for a a substantial fee. The girl did recover, but only when she was assured her baby was safe with God, and she could meet him again through the Lord Jesus Christ. She is married with other children, and still lives nearby. Neither police or social workers would investigate because these were decisions for ‘the medical profession’. And anyway, she was a gypsy, and their ways are different than the ‘norm’. Thank God He sent a Saviour!
Philp Boggis
10 September 2011 at 02:53 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
I sent a letter to Tony Blair on the 29th March 2006 – when he was Prime Minister. It read:
‘Dear Mr Blair,
I received some unsolicited mail from a pro life group today which I have enclosed. This invoked some unpleasant memories of the distant past.
During the period when my wife was training to be a nurse at Yeovil Hospital during the mid 1970′s when she was in her twenties, she came home one evening after a day in theatre and fell on my shoulder crying. I asked what the matter was and she explained that she had to watch as a perfectly formed baby was placed in a plastic container and pushed down a disposal chute, a very unpleasant experience indeed from which she has never really recovered.
All these years later, I make this one observation – after all, killing is killing no matter what social disguise it is under. I leave you with this salutary reminder of what some consider being not so good about the Abortion Act – a law I personally consider contrary to God’s law.’
Yours sincerely etc.
I believe something similar hapened to Nadine Dorries a number of years ago.
Jane Glover
13 September 2011 at 20:33 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
If you believe anything on Nadine Dorries’ blog, she has been calling for independent counselling to be available to women. Obviously, giving counselling to pro-life charities would go completely against this.
If you truly want to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies, try better access to contraception. More education to women about avoiding abusive relationships, so that they can’t be forced into a pregnancy against their will.
Stephen
14 September 2011 at 11:03 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
No, Jane, because by ‘independent’ is meant independent of the abortion provider, not independent of a moral compass!
Secondly, everywhere it has been tried, increased access to contraception has increased the number of abortions.
Dr Judy Bury, a former director of the Edinburgh Brook Advisory Centre, explained this clearly:
“Twenty years ago women were more resigned to unwanted pregnancy, but as they have become more conscious of preventing conception so they have come to request terminations when contraception fails. There is overwhelming evidence that, contrary to what you might expect, the provision of contraception leads to an increase in the abortion rate.” (Scotsman, 29/6/81).
David Malcolm Potts, one of Brook’s senior medical advisors predicted: “As people turn to contraception there will be a rise, not a fall in the abortion rate.”
Martin Horan
28 September 2011 at 23:11 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
I would go one further than Mr Boggis in his above statement. Killing is not merely killing when it comes to abortion. It is the worst kind of murder. It is taking the life of a the most vulnerable human being of all, a baby.
In the case of the travelling girl’s new-born baby, there was no possibility for the pathetic excuse of “Foetus”. This was obviously a fully formed and living child. The most eloquent among us must be at a loss for words when a medical doctor can carry
out such a hideous and callous murder with no qualms whatsoever.
What is the difference between such doctors and Nazis like Mengele?
What kind of civilization have we become when this can happen at a hospital not so far from any of us?
Three statements of the Lord Jesus jump to mind: As in the days of Noah… As in the days of Sodom… As in the days of Lot…
Surely we cannot become any sicker.
Jane Glover
17 October 2011 at 17:17 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
Interesting that your ‘evidence’ against contraception consists of one quotation that’s just over 30 years old and one prediction. Not exactly cold hard facts, are they ?
So what would you suggest to drop terminations of pregnancy, whilst making sure that every baby is a wanted baby, bearing in mind that the Silver Ring Thing in the US lead to a rise in STDs ? Or would you prefer to follow the US method of protecting the foetus, even when the mother’s life is at risk ?
Stephen
19 October 2011 at 10:57 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
‘Foetus’ and ‘Termination of Pregnancy’ are weasel expressions designed to suck the life, if the expression does not fall too awkwardly, out of the reality of abortion, .
When an expecting mum goes to the ante-natal clinic, she is told to cut down on alcohol and stop smoking for the sake of her baby, not her foetus!
When we start from the Biblical position that the shedding of human blood is not just a sin but a crime, then we begin to put things in the right order.
A Godly society which sees abortion as murder will also view adultery and fornication with horror, and children born out of wedlock will be rare. But no child will be ‘unwanted’ in such a society which will also be compassionate with the mother who decides to give up her baby for adoption.
No, chastity does not lead to an increase in STD’s. It is our godless promiscuity-plus-condoms model of sex education which has achieved that feat, where 10% of young people in the two studies conducted were found to have had Chlamydia, the sexually-transmitted disease which makes girls infertile.
And ‘mother’s life is at risk’ is another weasel expression. If we keep to the strict sense of the word, then if the baby is endangering the mother’s life, and ectopic pregnancy is the most common example, then the life of the mother must be saved at the expense of that of the baby. But where ‘mother’s life is at risk’ begins to include ‘lifestyle’ or is defined as loosely as doctors define it in the UK, then abortion begins to be seen as a contraceptive and human life as disposable. Which was where we came in.
Jane Glover
9 November 2011 at 00:24 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
So basically – you can’t actually answered the question posed to you. You’re using emotive language to rail against the situation as it is, but can’t actually propose a viable alternative.
“where 10% of young people in the two studies conducted were found to have had Chlamydia” – which studies were these then ? Again, lack of citation doesn’t really strengthen your cause.
You imply that the current counselling services are devoid of morals; a pretty sweeping statement. On what basis do you make this claim, given that you’ve never actually used their services !
Interestingly, you’ll find that Christians also seek terminations of pregnancy. Even staunchly pro-life Christians. How exactly does that fit into your theory of a godless world ?!
Stephen
9 November 2011 at 09:54 (UTC 1) Link to this comment
1 The alternative is sex education which urges modesty, chastity and fidelity.
2 No-one working in the field seriously disputes there is an epidemic of sexually-transmitted disease in the UK. According to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1744936/pdf/v080p00480.pdf ‘The national chlamydia screening pilot study suggests that 10–11% of women under 25 attending healthcare services may be infected with C trachomatis11′ Easy enough to google that.
3 It is undisputed that modern sex education is based on a ‘risk-alleviation’ model of promoting ‘safer sex’ in other words the use of condoms.
4 People sin.
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